Who here has a big $ difference spent on Christmas gifts - bio vs step?
I have seen a few posts about gifts and I'm adding mine to the pile. Married for 3 years. Separate finances. I need advice on how to convince DH that we need a more even spending amount for all the kids next year.
I spend $300 for Christmas for my 12 YO son , thats what I have managed to save for the last few years. Son gets gifts from me and $100 from my parents. No grandparents on his father's side and father isn't in the picture.
DH spends about $1500 on each of his kids - 14 YO daughter and 11 YO son. Another $500 each from his parents. BM spends about the same, last year she gave their daughter a MacBookPro. They also have plenty of gifts from godparents, aunts, uncles and friends.
In total around $4000 in presents for each stepkid and $400 in presents for my son. I wrap a lot of little things like socks and candy so he has more to open, and we have been through 4 years of this so he is used to it but I still feel for him every year. A dozen boxes have arrived for DH in the past week and you know the stepkids are getting a big haul this year. The only thing my son asked for was a new bike and I couldnt even afford the one he wanted. I would like it to be more even and I'm curious if any others go through the same thing.
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That's actually really sad
That's actually really sad and unfair. I do apologize but I haven't followed your blogs... is there a reason you keep finances seperate? I think with younger kids in blended families it's nice to have finances together and try your best to work as a family for the kids sake... obviously that's not always possible but it avoids situations like this. Your kid might be used to it but I'm sure it doesn't hurt any less.
DH has a much higher income
DH has a much higher income and much higher expenses and financial responsibilities for his kids so he saysits easier if we keep finances yours mine and ours. We take 2 big vacations a year, one just me and him and one with all of us and he pays for my son to go with us on the family vacation and he sees that as his present.
How long have you been
How long have you been together? It seems kind of strange... I remember when DH and I started dating, my excuse was "I have more financial responsibilities so it's best for us to keep money seperate" because I knew I wasn't ready to share/provide for his kid. Eventually I realized it's not right to marry someone and take their kid on as my stepkid and avoid paying for anything... I have a much higher income than DH, and sure, there's a million things I'd rather spend my income on than everything my stepkid needs, but at the end of the day, I made a choice to marry my husband and take his daughter on.
Even before we shared money, when all he could afford was a couple of cheap presents for xmas or birthdays, I'd go out and spend $200 on her so she could have a good xmas/birthday. I don't even have bios so I'm not evening things out, I'm just making sure any CHILD in my home lives the standard I live. I'm not saying stepparents need to do this, but I think especially if there's other kids in the house getting to live lavishly, all kids should be treated the same.
I get it in the case where stepkids treat their stepparents like crap, but if not, it's a kid... make them feel at home.
This is what I am thinking
This is what I am thinking too.
I would absolutely not
I would absolutely not tolerate that. I would not tolerate it for a stranger, I certainly would not tolerate it for my son.
He can't possibly think it is ok to lavish his children with insane amounts of gifts, and have your son not have the same?
That makes several points- loud and clear. #1- your son is NOT his family or his concern. #2- The two of you are not a family. It's his, and yours. #3- He enjoys hurting your son. #4- He likes making you look bad to your kid.
I would agree with this
I would agree with this completely... I can't imagine watching a kid in my home open a few presents while other kids opened piles and piles of presents. That would hurt me... I think it'd only be doable if you WANTED to hurt them.
I have no doubt you give your
I have no doubt you give your son a wonderful Christmas. Don't worry about the monetary amounts, just make sure you make wonderful memories with him. When skids are opening their windfall, go make gingerbread men with your son so he doesn't have to watch, or make lunches and deliver them to the homeless (and include a set of gloves in each bag, you can get them at the dollar store. That's what we do.) Show him Christmas isn't about rampant consumerism and he will have received far more than the skids ever will.
I was thinking about taking
I was thinking about taking him to volunteer on christmas day,thats a great idea.
No not a terror, great in
No not a terror, great in school and pretty easygoing. They have different personalities and not a lot in common so they are friendly to each other but they arent friends. DH is a hands off stepparent.
This brings up a good
This brings up a good point... Why should one person in the marriage be struggling and the other is super wealthy? You're married... You don't HAVE to share finances but surely one shouldn't be living paycheque to paycheque while the other has tons of spare money. That doesn't seem like love to me. My DH and I share everything now that we're married, and I make about 3-4x what he makes. I don't mind sharing, because I really love him and it's nice to see him enjoying a better quality of life thanks to our marriage.
I put myself through college
I put myself through college and a masters in a field that was not economically rewarding - I have a good job but I have student loan debt that I am paying off. I'm paying my fair share of living expenses, 100% of my sons expenses, saving a little for my sons college, saving for retirement and I help out my parents. There is not a lot left over.
I have brought this up before and he is willing to loan me money whenever I need it but I think 300 is a good amount to spend on christmas. If I dont help my parents, if I put less money away for his college and cut back on my 401k I can spend 1500 on christmas presents and even match DH on birthday spending. Is that really the right thing to do? DH doesnt want to cut back.
I think you are doing all of
I think you are doing all of the right things. This isn't all about money, per se. Like Moe said, "good manners, kindness, and respect are for everyone."
You are practicing and teaching one thing, your husband is practicing and teaching another.
Unfortunately, you are hurting in the process because you feel bad for your son. And your husband doesn't care about that.
We did get him a nice, less
We did get him a nice, less expensive bike than the one he asked for and new safety gear.
That's super hurtful. The
That's super hurtful. The years that sd has been with us on Christmas morning I've made sure that there is an equal-ish number of gifts to open.
When SO's skid's used to come
When SO's skid's used to come over, we always tried to have the same amount under the tree for each of them. We tried to be fair. We would ask each other what our budgets were, and work with in that. If one of us was low on cash, the other would contribute a little more to help out.
I agree with Mustang.
I agree with Mustang. There's no way in the world this dad, BM, family members...should be expected to decrease what they spend just because the OP's son doesn't get the same.
If I were in the OP's shoes, I would look for way to increase my income (working retail during the holiday season)in order to give my son more. Expecting my spouse to that for me or to stop lavishing his kids, would not be an option.
I know this is kind of the
I know this is kind of the opposite situation of what you had posted but one year, after DH told me no skids would be at our house on X-mas morning, he then tried to spring them on me at the last minute. I told DH- NO! Why? Because all he had gotten his kids were a $50 gift card. I tried to explain to him how much drama it would create when my BS is opening up all of his gifts (I bought them all) and his kids have to sit there holding a gift card. Not that they shouldn't or wouldn't be grateful. But it would be awkward and uncomfortable for all involved.
I don't even like the skids, but I thought it would just seem really unfair and would cause more resentment. Which it 100% would have. DH did not get it at all.
I think what your DH is doing is wrong.
This is unfair to me. I mean,
This is unfair to me. I mean, does your DH at least buy your son a gift? I cannot imagine treating kids so differently. When I was with my ex, I always made sure the skids (4 of them!) got stuff. I bought them gifts just like I bought others gifts. BS might get a little more from me, but that was not an obvious difference. Now we are separated, BS does not really get anything at his dad's as dad is unemployed. He got a shirt last Christmas from his dad, and nothing for his birthday there as long as I remember. My finances are really tight this year, as entering final semester of my MSN. So BF did all of Christmas for BS10. We went shopping together, but he financed it all. I did not ask, he wanted to. But that said we are probably under the $200 mark and I told him that his providing Christmas for BS10 is considered his gift to me, I don't want anything.
So I am assuming this all
So I am assuming this all takes place Christmas morning? All kids open presents at the same time?
If that is the case....All I can think here is that my DH would NEVER have SS open $1500.00 in front of my kids while my kids opened MUCH less because I could not afford it. Nor would I allow my kids to do that in front of SS. (this is thinking younger kids, not adults.)
It is NOT his responsibility to buy your kids gifts BUT it shows what kind of man he is that he does not. IMHO.
THERE we go you said it
THERE we go you said it perfectly. It is NOT his responsibility to buy your kids gifts BUT it shows what kind of man he is that he does not.
I kind of agree with you
I kind of agree with you Catlady. I seriously can not picture myself doling out $1500.00 for gifts for my BS6, while DH had to scrimp together $300 for a skid and STILL not be able to get him what he wanted. Would it be so damn difficult for her DH to offer to even just pitch in the extra amount needed to buy the bike the kid wanted? It's rather assholish to me. I don't like my skids, but even I would do that.
Damn it, me too... but shhhhh
Damn it, me too... but shhhhh don't tell DH then he might think there is hope for me and his kids.
If you search through old
If you search through old blogs, you will see that most posters agree with the OP's husband when the SM earns much more money. Plenty of us here have said that a SM should do the exact thing this man is doing.
The "rules" always seem to change when the SM's bio is on the "losing" end.
I agree with Willow, it just
I agree with Willow, it just shows what kind of man you married.
It doesn't matter that your finances are separate, that he makes more, that he's not obligated to do this or that, that life isn't fair, and all the other crap that people will say to justify what your husband does. It's mean.
My DH and I have separate finances, for several reasons. So, what? Our commitment to each other means that we are in this together.
If my DH thought I needed help financially, for ANY reason, he would give me his last dollar (even though I make more than him).
If he felt bad because he couldn't afford to buy his daughter what he really wanted to get her for Christmas, I would help him out.
Call us crazy but we love each other that way.
That's how we are Hereiam.
That's how we are Hereiam. We're partners and partners don't let the other struggle.
We have separate and joint
We have separate and joint finances. What I mean by that is we each have our own separate finances, but we also have a joint account we both contribute to for family expenses like the mortgage and trips and Christmas presents. We discovered early on that if we wanted a true family, then we needed to have common rules and gifts for his, mine and ours (yes, I can truly finally say ours because this year we finalized my husband adopting my youngest child!!!).
We contribute to the joint account based upon agreed amounts that we discuss both monthly and yearly, or anytime there is a significant change in circumstances (new job, loss of child support, child aging out, etc). When I was staying home, I contributed significantly less (from child support and savings) than he did. Now that I'm working, and making more than him again, I'm contributing significantly more.
But, our gifts to the kids (all five: 2 mine, 2 his, 1 ours) are equal-ish. I say "ish" because sometimes a kid has a need that is bigger than the others, or there's an age at which we want to gift something bigger. Like at 16, each kid gets a car for their birthday. But, just because 1 kid turns 16 that year doesn't mean every kid gets a $5,000 - $10,000 gift. The younger ones will get that gift when they reach that age, or the older ones already received it.
Personally, I wouldn't ever subject a child to what you're talking about. It's not okay and will create a disparate atmosphere in the home. If you want a conjoined family, it will never happen in this situation. I would sit my spouse down and discuss how he things it makes your child feel, as well as how he thinks it makes his kids feel. If he doesn't care, you have a bigger problem than finances.
One more thing. What you and
One more thing. What you and your husband do for the kids should be separate from what the kids other parents and family members do.
Don't try to convince your husband that you need to do more for your son than you do for his kids because his kids have a mom and extended family. THAT is a life lesson your son will have to learn. The past few years, my kids have gotten nothing from their father or his side of the family because of the blow-up we had. He never sees our kids because they don't want anything to do with him and his psycho now-wife. But my stepkids get significant gifts from their mother and her side.
And I would never insist on it, but my MIL gives my 2 kids equal to what she gives her bio kids and our adopted kid. It makes me respect her a lot more than I already did. But, if she didn't, again, that's a life lesson. Same as how one of my kids has a BFF who comes from a family of significant money. That kid gets to go on very nice vacations with the BFF's family. None of the other kids do. Life lesson.
We have a similar issue but
We have a similar issue but DD 3.5 is the one who is getting the most presents due to relatives and the fact that SD 15's behavior has been so bad she'd be getting coal from Santa (if Santa was real and truly had a naughty list).
DH & I aren't going crazy with gifts for DD, but I have a large extended family and DD has three grandparents who spoil her. SD's mom is no longer involved in her life and has no maternal relatives sending gifts. My mom doesn't know what to get her.
DH gets nothing but hate and anger from SD so he doesn't want to waste money on gifts she won't use. Shopping for her is impossible. She's the type of kid who whines and complains about everything and there's always some excuse or problem with everything. She has no interests, no hobbies. I am clueless as to what to get her and it feels like throwing away money. But DD has gotten so much that I know there will be jealousy issues.
I think gifts, including
I think gifts, including Christmas gifts, are entirely optional and at the discretion of the giver.
But good manners, kindness, and respect are for everyone.
I don't know if I've made incorrect assumptions about the OP's family Christmas, but I imagine a lovely tree with piles of gaily wrapped presents. Almost all of the presents are for the children. Possibly Mom and Dad have given each other a gift. Children have not given each other gifts.
Mom, Dad, and three children come down to open gifts. Coffee, hot chocolate, cookies, Christmas carols playing, and for about 30 minutes all three children open gifts and exclaim, "Thank you!" to their respective parents. But the unwrapping continues, for another 2-3 hours, only it's just Dad's kids unwrapping. Mom and Son sit there, brittle smiles on their polite faces, crumbling those damn Christmas cookies and praying for it to end. Finally it does, and Dad's kids run off happily content with their huge haul, Mom darts off to the kitchen to get Christmas dinner into the over, and Dad tells Mom's Son to get him a beer, and to be thankful he has a roof over his head.
Why not change things? One gift from each person to each other person to be opened first. All other gifts to be given and opened separately.
^^^^ Yes. Some people really
^^^^ Yes. Some people really miss the point.
Is the OP's goal for all the
Is the OP's goal for all the kids to have an equal number of gifts or them to be equal in value?
If number of gifts is the problem, the OP could work a part time job a few months the out of the year and earmark that money for son's Christmas.
Four hundred dollars is
Four hundred dollars is nothing to sneeze at guys. Adding what the grandparents get and what the BM gives is just padding to make her case. Those are people she and her husband have no control of. If she needs help providing we should either ask and respect the results of find a means to bring more money in.
Wow, this makes me sad for
Wow, this makes me sad for your son! Not because I don't think you did enough for him for Christmas but the fact that he has to watch as his step siblings get so much more. It has to make him feel inferior to the other children. I don't see a problem with your husband wanting to spend that on his kids if he can but why do it right in front of your son's face?!? It does seem cruel.
When I was younger my mom dated a man that treated his kids completely different than me and my brothers...trust me...we noticed! If we went to a cabin for a weekend they go their own room b/c their daddy paid for it and they got to eat roast beef and we had to eat the cheaper lunch meat b/c their daddy paid for it. That relationship didn't last long but I still remember how those kids treated me. I don't think this is doing his children any favors either.
I really hope you find a way to make sure your son knows that the amount of gifts/money spent don't equal his worth and that he is loved and that is what really matters.