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Cutter's picture

Hi, I've been reading for a few weeks and I need advice. I'll start with my introduction. I am 36 with a 12 yr old boy whose dad isn't in the picture. I've been dating Tom for 7 months and I am madly in love with him. Tom is widowed with 3 teenagers, 16 yr old boy, 14 yr old boy and 13 yr old girl. His kids are well behaved, ab honor roll students and they have a great relationship with their dad. I've never had a problem with them.

Tom is amazing. He is great! He is funny, sensitive, thoughtful, caring and hard working and just all around perfect. He makes me laugh nonstop and I have never been this happy in my life. He is my soul mate. I've never loved anyone the way I love Tom. I imagine that your thinking what's the problem then? Great guy and good kids and he's widowed. Perfect right? He promised his late wife that he wouldn't move anyone in with their kids. From what I heard she had a rotten stepmom (They were high school sweethearts and together 23 yrs so Tom knew her stepmom)and throughout their life together she was adamant if she ever died he should date and have fun but she made him promise no woman would live with her kids. He is sticking to his promise. I don't want to wait a minimum of 5 years for us to live together. What is they don't leave at 18? I don't expect my son to leave after high school so I can't imagine his will go either. I want us to be a family now. My mom told me last night that i'm going to wind up hurt by the time this is over. I think so to. I hurt now that he is honoring a dead womans wish over what I want. He says he loves me but I think he still loves her more.

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BethAnne's picture

Everyone that is close to us hurts us eventually in some way or other. I bet even your mom has hurt you at times. You have to decide if this relationship is worth it with the full knowledge that for 5 years minimum you will be his fun on the side and that living together may or may not happen after that 5 year period.

Cutter's picture

I don't know what to do. Do I stay and wait hoping he decides to make us a family or leave now and try to get over him?

Cutter's picture

She passed 5 years ago in a car accident. Tom has dated other woman and brought them around but he hasn't been in love with anyone till me. I want the whole package. I want to marry this man and start our life together. I want to blend our kids and while i know it will be tough, I want this. I've tried talking to him but he won't budge. He says this was so important to her but if she met me i think she would be okay with me. I really do. I'm not going to be horrible to her kids.

BethAnne's picture

If you cannot let go of this fantasy then you will be hurt. Your kids will never blend, your 12 year old will be half way out the house by the time you guys might move in together. You will never get to get his wife's blessing. The whole package is not what you are being offered.

You can have a relationship with tom but we all have our own standards to live by. He has made his clear. If it is not acceptable to you then it is time to move on. If you can let go of your fantasy future and accept what is being offered to you then it might work (it also might not).

When I met my husband and knew that I loved him and wanted a future with him I had to let go of the future that I had been imagining for myself. It was tough, I grieved for that perfect future, I sat with the knowledge that I would never have it. Eventually I decided that it was ok to have a different future to the one imagined and so I agreed to marry him. That doesn't mean that things have been easy or that I do not think to what things could be like, but it does mean that I am fully committed and will not throw my decision in his face in the heat of the moment. I accept this is the path I have chosen.

DaizyDuke's picture

If someone you loved asked one thing of you after their death, would you find it in your heart to do that for them? I bet you would. I don't think this means your SO loves his deceased wife "more". In fact I think it speaks volumes to the kind of person that he is... trustworthy, respectful and thoughtful.

The only way I see you getting hurt in this, is if you push this man to make a decision that he is not comfortable with, because down the road he WILL resent you for it. IF you truly love him and want to be with him, living apart for the next 5 years is a small price to pay for 40 more years of happiness.

Cutter's picture

I'm not sure i'll ever meet another man like him. Have you ever met someone and just felt whole? His name makes me smile and my heart still jumps when I hear his voice. I don't want to give him up but I am scared I am going to get resentful and push the issue. He won't even allow me to sleep over when his kids are there.

Cutter's picture

His kids are pretty active with friends and both his and his late wife's parents are nearby. They take the kids a couple times a month or the kids spend the night out. I've met her parents and they seem pretty welcoming of me. Her mom even invited me to a bbq they had at their house. We spend the night together about 5 times a month. Sometimes in a row and other times spread out.

Acratopotes's picture

Cutter - be happy about this, be very very happy....

I use to live with SO.... for 4 years, then his daughter moved in.. she was 12.5 at the time... she moved out again year later and returned again 6 months later... I moved out of our house,

girls can be very sweet and good till age 13-15, then they turn into evil monsters, I think the day they have sex they think they are your peer and all hell breaks loos... I've been living apart from my SO now for 5 years. we still see each other most of the time, but 3 nights a week I take off, to do my own thing at my own clean house...

Simply move closer to him or what ever, but keep your own place, you will thank me in 4 years time Wink

Just J's picture

Trust your gut (and your mom). This was a very unreasonable request by the wife! And my guess is that the children know of this horrid little promise, so he won't go against it. How very sad, for a person to not want their partner to move on if they die. And for his wife to assume that every woman that isn't her is going to be awful like her stepmother is just ridiculous. I can't imagine holding my DH hostage like that from beyond the grave, that is just manipulative and controlling.

This man is not truly available to you. Your soulmate would want to marry you, not just date you indefinitely until his children launch (which for some kids takes well into their 20s these days. I have a 27 year old SS living with me so trust me, I know). I feel sad for you, because I do think you will end up hurt, or waiting and waiting like a sucker, and wasting your life on a guy who might as well still be married.

Cutter's picture

He doesn't want anymore kids and had a vasectomy years ago. I kinda want another child but I am hesitant to start over so I'm torn on that. I agree that his late wife didn't think through when she asked for this commitment and I've tried to explain that to him. I've met his kids and been to his house while they are there. She was fine with him dating but she didn't want another woman raising her kids because she didn't want them to feel like she and her siblings did. I have never thought about living in a duplex. That seems funny and makes sense at the same time. I'll approach Tom with it and just see what he thinks. I've tried to reevaluate it without feelings but I'm not sure how. He's perfect except he won't break his promise for us to live together.

Cutter's picture

I'm not positive I want another kid. I'd have to start all over and bs is in middle school. i don't know.

notasm3's picture

I personally think that this type of death promise that the dying person extorts is just stupid. It would be one thing if the dying person expressed their preferences, But to demand something like that is truly emotional blackmail. Who is going to say no to a dying loved one no matter how absurd the request.

But my opinion means nothing to your BF. He sounds very committed to keeping that promise. My advice is to cut off the relationship totally. No phone calls, texts, etc. it will not be easy. But you can stop loving anyone. Let him see what life is like without you. If he's ok with that then he's not the man for you anyway.

always_anxious's picture

So much this ^^^^

The time is so short-- 7 months. Hell it took me 5 years to figure out I didn't know things about my SO. Another 2 to figure out I should have run.

As a widow myself, it truly doesn't matter what anyone thinks about his and his late wife's agreement. Its important to him and he's keeping the promise. Now its your move to decide how you want to respond.

Every instance in my life where I wasn't sure about something, if I had just said no or left, it would have been just fine. When I know I want something, I know it. When I'm not sure, that means I should be listening to the warnings.

Cooooookies's picture

That is a very far fetched unrealistic promise that I would never ask anyone to keep. She wants her former husband to never move on. What if the kids don't move out? How old must they be before he waits? What if they move out and he still has you and his entire living life on hold...for a dead woman.

Sorry but he's more faithful to the deceased than he is to the love he has, in flesh and blood, right in front of him. In essence, he is still married to his late wife. What a horrible thing to ask of him, to never move on based on the horribly incorrect assumption that every step mom is like the one his late wife had. This is just madness.

There are many many many Toms in the world. Ones who will love you, complete you, make you feel all giggly and squishy inside...and won't still be faithful to a previous (dead) lover. This guy is not available and NOT The One.

TwoOfUs's picture

100%

That's the part that bugs me the most. She really made him 'promise' this...talk about reinforcing the cultural stereotype that SMs are all awful. Dead wife sounds like a b****

MollyBrown's picture

You have to accept that you cannot compete with a dead woman. You have been with him for 7 months and he was with her for decades. If you keep this comparing up, you will be miserable.

B22S22's picture

Like Anotherstep2, I was widowed when my kids were very young.... and yes, my first DH made some requests of me but I'll honestly say this wasn't one of them.

You said he had known his wife since they were young, and knew her stepmom. Maybe... (and I'm just thinking out loud here) he's not just honoring her request (which I think in my own pointy little head was a selfish request), but carries the fears/stories/nightmares of her "evil stepmom" around and wants to protect his kids from the same fate his wife grew up with? I'm not saying that's how YOU would be; maybe his experiences has led him to believe that every step-parent situation is as ugly as the one his first wife came from. It's hard to say.

Cutter's picture

I think you are partly right. He dealt with her stepmom and he knows what she went through. I honestly don't think she sounded all that bad tbh but it's not up to me to decide since I didn't live it. I have talked to him many times that I would be loving and caring and treat them like my own. It really sucks because I've always imagined when I met the man of my dreams, we would get married and start a life together. As of now I have to wait at least 5 years for his youngest to graduate high school and then it's not even promised we can start our future.

Cutter's picture

She was gone instantly. This was something she made him promise throughout their marriage, if she died he can date and have fun but don't ever let a woman move in and raise her kids. I've talked to Tom's sisters and she even told them in passing that she never wanted her kids to have a step parent and be treated the way she was. She promised Tom never to have a man live with their kids if he died first. I find it very upsetting. I would want my spouse to go on and be happy.

Cutter's picture

He told me from the beginning and I was fine with it. I just didn't expect to want to marry him and start a life together.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

7 months into a relationship, many people are still on their 'best' behavior. In another 7 months, you and Tom may find that you each have habits with are completely unacceptable to the other.

This is nothing wrong with Tom not wanting you to spend the night while his children are there. It's only been 7 months. Immediately after they split, my DH's ex had a steady parade of men moving in and out of her house and the skids were all subjected to her noisy, screaming sexfests. I am the ONLY woman DH ever brought around the skids since their divorce. Because of this, the respect have zero respect for their mother and tons of respect for DH.

I have no judgment on whether or not Tom respecting his deceased wife's wishes are unfair or not. HOWEVER, is it possible that this is Tom's EXCUSE to keep your relationship from moving too fast?

Slow down, stop rushing, and go with the flow. Time is your friend.

DaizyDuke's picture

ha ha Cutter just needs to get down on one knee when her man wakes up from his nap during Church and pop the question! Wink

moving_on_again's picture

I didn't meet SO's kids until we had been together a year. He was married to a crazy woman who could cover it up for months at a time, he had no idea if I was the same way.

Although, small town as usual, they would point at me in public. It was awkward.

TwoOfUs's picture

lol.

Livingoutloud's picture

If this story is true then this guy might be making dead wife promises up so he doesn't have to commit. I dated a guy who made up stories how his parents are nasty people and they aren't ready for him to bring me to family events. Turned out they were nice people who were asking him to bring me over for months. Liar.

If this guy really wanted a commitment he'd go for it

Cutter's picture

He isn't making it up. I hang out with his sister and I've been to his late wife's parents house. She really made him promise not to remarry throughout their marriage. Which is stupid because she should want him to move on and be happy.

Cutter's picture

She didn't want him to remarry and bring a stepmom into the kids lives while they lived at home. After they are grown it would be okay.

Cutter's picture

Remarry while the kids are at home and bring a stepmom into their lives while they live with him. I don't think 7 months is short when you meet the right person but I know I need to slow it down since I am the one wanting this and he isn't.

Lit'l Bit's picture

"He isn't making it up. I hang out with his sister and I've been to his late wife's parents house"

So you have meet the evil step mom? What is she like?

Cutter's picture

I've met her mom and her stepdad. From the stories i heard her sm was heavy handed with grounding but she doesn't sound awful to me but i didn't live it.

Maxwell09's picture

You will get hurt. He has already made it clear that not only does his kids come before you, but also a request of a dead woman. You are already trying to compete with a martyr, stop setting yourself up for disappointment and go date an unmarried man (dead or not, he is acting as if he is still married to her). Being alone and dating is better than wasting five years, atleast, on a pipe dream that he might be ready to start his life with you by retirement. If it is meant to be then he will find you again once his kids move out or he will come find you when he comes to his senses about that ridiculous promise.

Cutter's picture

If I am 100% honest I am hoping he sees that I am a good person and that I would be good for his family.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Cutter, that is what you HOPE. The REALITY today is that he is sticking to the promise he made his deceased wife and is NOT going to move forward until his children are launched.

Sweetie, you can project that hope all you want, but it sounds like he is unyielding and determined to keep that promise.

moving_on_again's picture

This man is telling you exactly what he wants. You either accept it and wait, or you move on. However, I suspect if you keep nagging him about it, he will end things.

Although I think it's completely ridiculous to ask your spouse to make a promise like that, I agree with the poster above that said what if you were the wife? I think it's honorable that he is keeping the promise, not even for his dead wife, but for his kids.

However, I have picked SO a couple choices if I die. One just recently got divorced and I said, "Oh great, now you're going to leave me!" We just laughed. I have also told him about a couple mutual friends that he should probably steer clear of because *crazy.* He said he would never date any of them anyway, living with BM's crazy for several years was enough. SO is kind of naive when it comes to women, though.

Disneyfan's picture

This man had 3 minor kids and has only known you for 7 months. Even without the promise, as a parent he would have to be nuts to even think about marrying someone he hardly knows.

He's a father, so he has to think how his choices will impact his children.

moving_on_again's picture

After living with BM's crazy a$$, SO wouldn't even let me meet his kids for a year.

And we still aren't married! Our 8 year anniversary is less than two weeks away. BUT, that's my choice until those kids age out and child support is over.

Livingoutloud's picture

Agree! 7 months isn't long enough when there are 3 minor kids. It is too early. But he might be already sending a message that he isn't planning to commit any time soon. Or ever

Thumper's picture

Disney Fan is correct

So is Livingoutloud.

OP please tell us why your 12 years boys dad is "OUT OF THE PICTURE" as in he offers no support? I will assume you did not tell him you were pregnant because you wanted to raise your child without a dad, correct?

Next is I will guess you want TOM to adopt your son---right?

I have lost a few very VERY close girlfriends to Cancer. They were married with kids too. They did not tell their husbands to NOT find love and happiness, matter of fact just the opposite. They wanted them to move on.

Maybe TOM is not so charming,,,maybe that was his way to cut sling load on your relationship in the most gentle way he could think of....Blame someone else than tell the truth.????

Your duty is to your son. It is a darn shame dad is not in the picture..... :?

Livingoutloud's picture

That's why I said that he is using it as sn excuse. It could be true that BM said "I had such mad SM that i worry if I die you bring strange woman to the house and she'll treat kids bad". But it wasn't something set in stone or signed in blood. He is using it though

Livingoutloud's picture

Good point fruity. He doesn't want to be married and doesn't matter why, he just doesn't. Time to make a decision, cutter.

CompletelyPuzzled's picture

You have gotten so much good advice from other posters. But, I just wanted to add one more thing. You are 36. You can't have the future you want with this man until his kids leave the nest. Realistically, that could be anywhere from 5-10 years from now. Think about the next ten years. Can you live like this for 10 years? You will be 46 and your chances for more children will be drastically reduced. Do you really want to wait around and risk losing what you want? It may not be Tom who ends up resentful. Meeting the right man at the wrong time means that he is the wrong man. I don't see how this scenario can end in any other way than one of you being unhappy and having to give up what you want.

Livingoutloud's picture

Even if you don't want more kids your chances to meet quality men drop drastically as you get closer to 50. I've met my DH at 49 and he is great but selection was slim. But in my 30s selection was huge. I ended up wasting years on my previous stepfamily in my 40s. Things work out for the best but I don't recommend wasted decade on dead end relationships.

LostinSpaceandTime's picture

It sadly sounds like Tom is just not that into you. Read the book or watch the movie.
Slow it down and take time to think what you want for your life.

I dated a guy for ten months who professed he loved me and wanted to spend so much time with me...until the day that he broke up with me. Turns out he met someone else and that was it. It was devastating, yet it really was the best thing that could have happened for me. I ignored all the red flags for this guy.

When I met my DH our relationship moved pretty quickly. But it was mutual. We were both at a place to know what we wanted. We were both looking for a long term relationship.

The five nights or so a month that you spend together, is that enough for you? Or do you want a partner who is there everyday? As much as you love the idea of being in love with Tom...is that enough for you? Maybe you will decide not to have more kids, maybe a pet or future grandkids will fill that spot in your heart. Are you willing to put your daily life on hold waiting for his kids to grow up? Or do you and Tom live fully in the moments now? Are you at his beck and call around the schedule of his kids? Or do you plan outings that he participates in by making arrangements for his kids? Is it all about him?

If he was really that into you don't you think he would be more open to finding a way to make sure you stay in his life as an equity partner in a relationship.

There is a saying...why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Perhaps an old fashioned saying but tends to run true.

Seven months is a short time...but it is also a long time. What matters is how long are you willing to wait for what you want for your life?

Relationships are scary. We have to be wary of the ones who are rushing into commitments and we have to be Leary of the ones who want to put our dreams on hold for their own agenda. Healthy relationships are ones where growth and dreams for everyone can be worked for together.

notarelative's picture

Are you going to get hurt? Absolutely

The chances of the kids accepting a marriage are small. They know that their "sainted" mom didn't want them to have a stepmom. They won't want you as a stepmom no matter how old they are.

It doesn't matter if you wait until they are all grown and successfully launched. The wishes of the deceased mom are paramount.

If you get married, when the children reject you, he will have guilt from not following his deceased wife's wishes. It will wreck your marriage.

Are you going to get hurt? Absolutely if you continue this relationship.

Livingoutloud's picture

It's an old excuse that men use when they just aren't into a woman and want to continue just casually dating: "my kids", "my ex", " my job", "my health". All excuses. As soon as he meets "the one" he'll marry her just fine regardless what late wife wanted etc.