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Stepdaughter won’t meet me but wants to see our baby without me

Chantal1's picture

my partner and I will be marrying soon we have a baby together. He has an 18 year old daughter from a previous marriage. She was in town last year and wanted to see our baby, but to see her without me, she did not want to meet me. So I sat in the car while partner took baby in to see her. I was fuming. A year later she still FaceTime her father and wants to see the baby. This angers me so much. I want to do the right thing and let her see her half sister but I’m not happy and comfortable with this. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

 

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Merry's picture

Why is it ok with your BF that you are invisible? Why would he rather upset you than her? And why is she upset anyway? Does she not want her father to have an adult relationship?

this would be a great big Oh Hell No for me. You are either in a committed couple, or you are not. Sounds like maybe he’s not. 

marblefawn's picture

My husband's daughter wouldn't meet me. We kept making dinner plans when we first got engaged because I just felt like we should at least break bread once, but she kept canceling. We carried on, though, because I was assured she was happy for us.

Eventually, she met me. She was snarky, a mini-wife, ugh, just awful. We only fought about SD and we fought often about SD's demand that he see her alone. A year before her wedding, she suddenly became a dream SD. I did all kinds of stuff for her wedding and we got on great. Within four months of her wedding, she was back to only communicating with her father, sending postcards addressed only to him.

Then I disengaged.

So what I'm saying is that I'm 20 years into this relationship and I'm still on the outside looking in. I don't care as much now, and when you get to this point, neither will you. You'll just want peace. Disengagement is at least in the direction of peace.

Alien's picture

I would just talk to your future husband and tell honestly that it’s disrespectful to you as his partner and future wife. If she want to see her half sister she will need to accept you as her mother. He actually giving a bad example to his daughter “bending” like that. And you probably feel left behind and unimportant when he allowed that to happen. Made you wait in a car as a dog who is not allowed in the cafe. I would made sure he knows how it feels.

Survivingstephell's picture

How does he expect to explain your absence with these visits as YOUR child gets older??  They will ask why.  

 

CLove's picture

My dear, you are a package deal! We are always told that our spouse with his children are a "package deal", well so are you!!!!

There is no baby without SM. Please be strong and put your foot down on this - its a "hill to die on" if you will.

Your DH needs to back you up, because he set a bad precedence the first time. Once he gives in on this and continues it, what are the future limits? NO holidays with you, only half sister with dadee? NO vacations with you, only half sister and daddee dearest?

No, please do not accept this.

When I first started my relationship with DH, his eldest Toxi Feral didnt want to meet me. The Toxic Troll BM didnt want to meet me. Then, Toxic Troll decided to have her new boytoy meet the kids after a week so it was suddenly ok. But for me, I had to wait 2 MONTHS.

Im like whatever. But for you, with a child, stop accepting this excluding of you. Its not right. Its totally offbase. You are not just the girlfriend, you are an equity life partner.

Chantal1's picture

Thank you all for taking the time to read my post and for the advice. I thought I was overreacting! Bf and I are going to have a talk about this soon!

shamds's picture

My husbands ex kidnapped their 2 daughters and cut off contact for over 5 yrs. hubby had sole custody of ss who will be 21 in a few months time. Sd last year initiated contact with hubby and hubby pushed and stood his ground to meet them outside at a cafe/restaurant, not at exwifes current husbands home so she could dominate and control the situation 

the sd then aged 22 &14 said they wanted to meet dad and their brother out. It was on a day that hubby had a coworkers lunch party so he asked me and our kids aged 2.5 & 1 to come along. He didn’t at all ask for sd permission for us to come along as they had told hubby (rather try and guilt him) by saying we know you moved on and have a new wife and new kids, a new family

hubby just said you will always be my daughters. We’re a packaged deal, hubby wanted them to meet me and our 2 kids (their half siblings), believe me even with all the stepcrap we deal with and at times hubby not manning up, never would one of my skids be able to get away with asking hubby i want to meet my half siblings but not your ne mq wife...

thats such a dealbreaker...

your man is treating you like shit, he is allowing, enabling and reinforcing his daughter can treat you like shit. What they are doing is emotional abuse and typical with stepkids and its WRONG!! 

There are no buts if sd asks to meet her half sibling and say doesn’t want you there, your partner needs to tell her off she’s disrespectful and out of line and that you will be present with your daughter

remember this saying “Don’t negotiate with terrorists!” I think thats very fitting in this case because you should not be kept hostage in this situation, you gave birth to your daughter, you have raised her and hell no does someone veto or demand to see your kid without you present...

sd is out of line demanding you not be present, you have every right the next time hubby says sd wants to meet bubs alone again to girmly say “NO! Bubs will not be going alone with you”

until this little shit learns to show respect to you as the mother that birthed, cared and nurtured for this child and is as standard to be at meets, you do not allow visits

no doubt sd will play victim claiming parental alienation but she is totally out of line and unreasonable with her demands.

i myself have refused to attend visits outside the home to meed skids as they are perfectly capable to come to our home but are lazy not to.

so op next time tell hubby if sd wants to meet her half sibling then she can come to your home from now on since she is an adult. If she demands you not be present in your own home, if hubby doesn’t see how out of line and ridiculous she is being, he needs a good kick up the arse hun...

Monkeysee's picture

This would be an ‘Oh Hell No’ from me. Princess SD does not get to dictate what happens with MY child. Sit in the car while she meets my kid??? Nope, not today, not ever. 

Chantal1's picture

I’m not asking to be friends with SD. I simply want to meet the person who is talking to and spending time with my child, be it in person or through FaceTime. When  she was in town the only reason she gave was that she was not comfortable coming to our place and not comfortable meeting me. I would understand if she was much younger but she is 18 going on 19,  or if I had broken up the parents marriage but I didn’t.  I should have put my foot down, I know! No more taking a backseat any longer when it comes to my child

shamds's picture

My ss tried to pull that crap on hubby claiming at 20 yrs old being civil and not ignoring me continually made him uncomfortable because i was a woman. You know what my husband said?

”thats my wife! I have been married to her for 4 years and had 2 kids with her who are your siblings, she is not a stranger and you don’t get to say you are uncomfortable

a symptom of parental alienation is when stupid excuses are made to not meet the other person. Yeah i feel uncomfortable, i hate the way they talk, i hate the way they eat etc, its purely a stall/manipulative guilt tactic... do you know if sd mum might be doing some pas aggression?

in my case exwife isn’t hsppy hubby married someone who had more kids with him? Because she can’t use her 3 kids (2 whom are adults) to guilt and manipulate hubby because hubby knows i don’t do that

marblefawn's picture

Yea...this is how these SDs do it.

SDs use vague excuses not to meet dad's new wife or girlfriend: "I'm not comfortable," or my favorite, "I just don't trust SM" as excuses not to engage with dad's new love. These excuses allude to something negative or bad that SD obviously knows about SM that poor stupid dad is too naive to recognize -- it's the suggestion that SM is not trustworthy or somehow goes out of her way to make SD "uncomfortable." The irony is that SD has never even met SM, but SD is SURE that SM would make her uncomfortable or is not trustworthy.

What a load of BS.

Winterglow's picture

You get over being uncomfortable with someone by spending time with them. Time for her to stop running away. Tell your bf that she's very welcome to come and see your baby in your home because it's high time yoiu got to know each other.  Bludgeon him with brute reason. Smile

thinkthrice's picture

is psychobabble skid code for "i dont like that adult because they can see through my bullshit."

Survivingstephell's picture

The fact your man wants to keep indulging SD in her fantasy that daddy doesn't have a partner boggles my mind.  She's a friggin adult and should be able to handle reality.  Reality is daddy has another child with a women who exists.  

Livingoutloud's picture

I think you have boyfriends problem not as much stepkid problem. This man left you in the car while he went somewhere to show your baby to his daughter. While you sat in the car. If my skids told my DH to leave me in a car, he’d say big fat no. Your BF is an issue here 

shamds's picture

Meeting the mother of her baby sister, her dad is further reinforcing the fact he is uncomfortable having his partner there with them... that sends a wrong message to the skid...

most sane partners would be offended and i came from a family where my parents never saw any time where we had the right to demand 1 on 1 outings excluding a parent or sibling. Beyond the whole puberty talk in private with the parent same gender as you, we either soent time as a family or we stayed home...

notsobad's picture

When I was an infant (2 - 3 weeks old) my Dads mom (my grandmother) and his sister (my Aunt) came by the house to see me. They swaddled me up and took me off to meet their friends. They told my Mom there was no room for her in the car but not to worry they'd only be an hour or so. My Mom was 21, a brand new parent who had lived at home until the day she got married. She burst into tears the moment they left, she didn't feel that she could stop them.

She called my Dad who couldn't do anything but try to soother her over the phone. She called her Mom who told her to take a nap and that the baby would be home before she knew it. She also made a few comments about the lower class that my Dad came from. He was from across the tracks, which was a real thing in her hometown. Which is another story.

When she told me the story, 40 years later, she said it taught her that no one was going to stand up for her, she was going to have to learn to stand up for herself. Never again did anyone take any of her kids anywhere without her permission.

So, OP the lesson here is to stand up for yourself. It doesn't matter what a bunch of strangers on the internet think. If don't want your baby to out meeting people without you, don't allow it to happen.

Please, please, please do not become a Golden Uterus but you do not have to be a doormat either.

Survivingstephell's picture

If the end goal is to have a happy marriage and family life, then the father excluding his future spouse is in the wrong and there is no justification that makes it ok on his part to exclude OP.  

 

Winterglow's picture

Tell your DH that it is high time she met you. If he protests, ask him if he's ashamed of you and, if so, why?

 

tog redux's picture

The issue is not that this man wants to have his two children alone, it's that he's allowing SD to pretend that his partner doesn't exist, and that this baby was somehow created spontaneously by DH alone.

It's not healthy for him to allow this exclusion long-term.  Does SM have to be involved in everything? No. But would it kill SD to say, "Hi" to SM when she skypes to see the baby? No.

This man is creating and allowing entitlement and rude behavior in his so-called adult daughter, who is excluding her SM only because she can't bear to think of her father in a relationship.  From what I see, this woman hasn't done anything to this girl except exist and be with her father.

The father is an idiot for allowing this to go on.

Notup4it's picture

This I agree with 100%.  They are together, this isn’t fantasy land where she pretends like the mom doesn’t exist. It also wouldn’t be appropriate for her parents to say they don’t want to see DH but want to see their grandkids and make him wait in the car without there being valid reason. It is rude behaviour and if they want this relationship to last it has to be curbed now. 

Chantal1's picture

This is exactly how I feel. I’m always saying that SD thinks it’s just her fathers baby and I don’t exist! Even when they FaceTime he tries so hard not to get me in the pic so as not to hurt his 18 year old feelings! And I feel awkward in my own home. Does she even bother to ask him if it’s ok with the baby’s mom if she could see the baby? No! To her I do not exist!

shellpell's picture

Chantal, you know that this is not right at all. Hurt her feelings? Feelings about the fact that you exist?? I’m so angry for you. If this does not change, this will not bode well for your upcoming marriage and it may possibly affect your relationship with your own child if this continues since you don’t know what the daughter will be telling your child. Plus the message that mommy isn’t allowed when daughter is there?!? 

Winterglow's picture

"he tries so hard not to get me in the pic so as not to hurt his 18 year old feelings"

For goodness sake, WHY? Does he imagine that she doesn't know you're there? His behaviour is so puerile it's beyond belief! Does he think she's stupid or something? If I were you, I'd creep up behind him, wave and smile and say "Hi there, I'm Chantal. You must be SD" and see if either of them faints dead away. But I'm bad like that Smile

In any case, you should ask him how much longer he intends to pretend he's a monk... because you could provide him with the ideal conditions (sleeping alone and getting no sex).

Winterglow's picture

Thinking about this a bit longer ... Have you ever asked his mother or his sister why he pretends you don't exist to his daughter? 

SonOfABrisketMaker's picture

As much as my gut feeling echoes OP’s, that this is rude and she shouldn’t be barred from any part of her child’s life, the fact of the matter is that BabyOP does have 2 parents. 

One poster before said something along the lines that a dad can’t be trusted alone with an infant in public. Why not? There seems to be a distinct anti-father feel on this board when it benefits SMs. But if a bio dad drops the ball or favors the skids then suddenly he’s an a-hole for not stepping up and being a strong, equal parent. 

SD, as an adult who never formed a relationship with OP, is not obligated to do so now. Just like SD needs to “face reality” as an adult, so does OP. Right now it’s just letting her baby’s father have a quiet afternoon with his children. Why can’t he have that! If OP pushes too hard, she might soon find herself handing over her child to him exclusively every other week and she will have zero say in what he does with the child. Perhaps a little diplomacy and compromise is needful, no matter how distasteful it is. 

shellpell's picture

The “adult” daughter is demanding that Ops partner exclude her. This is a big problem. As far as compromise, is it really that difficult to ask that she meet OP?? The parents of babyop are together. This is the daughters fathers partner and mother of baby. Op is not demanding to be included in every outing. Would you hand over your baby to meet people who refuse to meet you? I sure as hell wouldn’t, I don’t care who they are.

Notup4it's picture

That is comparing apples to oranges.  They are soon to be a married and they have a child together, wherther SD likes it or not they are a family.  I even think it is beyond rude when kids demand that they never meet the stepparent (stepmom or stepdad) when other babies aren’t involved.... it is rude and disrespectful to their parent and the stepparent and in this case their sibling as well. 

I have acquired a stepparent as an adult and I would never ever even imagine to demand my dad see me without my stepmom present. My DD also accepts her stepparents as well and If she didn’t I would think she was disprespectful and she would get an earful. 

That is NOT to say that SD can’t have alone time with her dad, or dad and her baby half sister..... it is that she doesn’t have the authority to just cross out a spouse and mother of her sibling when they are an intact family unit. 

If he wasn’t willing to step up and left that would be on him for being a horrible partner.

tog redux's picture

He can have lots of time alone with his kids.

But that isn't what's at issue here - he also needs to let his 18 yo know that he's not OK with her ignoring his soon-to-be wife, period.

 

Chantal1's picture

Partner and I had “the talk” 

He said he understands how I feel and that he never should have let his 18 year old seen the baby without me present. From now on if she wants to see the baby she will have to acknowledge me. I am so relieved, I thought he would be angry but he totally got it!