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SS big confrontation with BP (DH and BM)

Caroline2b1211's picture

So, today was the big day. 
DH and BM had a big talk with SS about his manipulativr behaviour and lies.

I was afraid that the talk turned into "how can daddy improve your stay at home? What can he do to make you fully happier?"

But it didn't. BM was really strict to SS. They told him he was too selfish, manipulative and that lies won't help him anymore to have what he wants.

They also explained to him that thanks to his behaviour, he his not trusted anymore and that BM and DH will talk regularly to see if he is playing the two households. 
 

Plus, BM told him "what MIL and SIL think doesn't matter, they have absolutely no power on what happens at dad place" and "MIL and SIL try to make you and your father having issues. If you continues to play lies, it's what will happens! You have to be responsible of what you are saying to them". 
Plus, DH told SS that he will talk to MIL and SIL and be really clear about the fact that he is the father and that no one could decide but him. 
 

Waou... that sounds great ! 

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CastleJJ's picture

I'm so glad to hear that the chat went well. It is good to hear that BM and DH are on the same page. Usually, these BMs blame the other parent and believe these kids 100% in their lies and manipulation, making any joint attempt to confront the manipulation impossible. I'm glad to hear that wasn't the case this time. Also good for BM and DH for putting SS in his place regarding the ILs. 

Caroline2b1211's picture

Hi CastelJJ and Shepshell, 

SS reaction was basic, no crying has i guess he knewn this wasn't going to work. 
He answered the question "why are you lying permanently?" By "because i'm stupid". 
However BM and DH insisted on the fact it wasn't an answer so he said "to have what i want". 
 

He will be visiting in two weeks, i'm not thrilled at all to have him

CastleJJ's picture

Yeah the reiteration would be "lying isn't going to get you what you want anymore." He is clever and manipulative. He is going to continue to be a problem if your ILs continue to have involvement. 

Can I ask? Why do your ILs hate your DH so much? It's their son. Why would they be trying to PAS SS against their own son?

Caroline2b1211's picture

Hi girls, 

Good question that i have explained in my previous blogposts (or in the forum, i'm not sure). 
ILs are MIL and SIL. DH comes from a really unhealthy dysfunctionnal and broken familly. 
His father left when he was 5 and his maternal grandparents raised him at their home while MIL was with SIL in her own appartment because she cannot handle her two children. She chosen the girl. 
DH has been emotionnaly abused during all his childhood and was a child worker of his GF. 
MIL always recognized the fact, she is even the one who told me at first "my father was really hard with him, always saying to him he was idiot, and making him work hard in the yard after schooldays". 
DH often got to hospital when his grandfather was too hard on him (many broken bones). 
MIL always treated his son as "the same than his father", alcoholic one. Because of their physical similarities. 
DH is clearly the "one to shot" of the family. 

However, as a broken human, DH had always been nice with their persecutors : GF (died) but also MIL and SIL. The last one took the same pathway than the familly and consider DH like a crap. 
They never ever loose the opportunity to humiliate him. Plus, except DH who had been told his entire life that work was the only thing existing on earth, they all are lazy, non graduated, non educated and miserable people. MIL is a cleaning lady who spend the few money she earns on money gambling. SIL is working as a salesgirl on a little shop she likes to steal when she can and his fiancee is an alcoholic non worker social case. 
The two of them has a little baby. 

When DH end his first relationship with BM, they were all thrilled to see he failed. He was a failure as a partner (even if she cheated on him when SS wasn't even 1 YO) and he must be a failure as a father. 

DH has his own business (he is handworker), work really hard but make is own money. However, as they can't see him succeed, they always tried to convinced him to stop his business to become employee like them. 

And when we met, they just completely became all crazy. 
Seeing DH dating a master degree graduate girl who has her own situation as an executive manager of the biggest company in the region, and who is an only child from healthy and good wages family... was obviously too for them. 
 

At the first begining, when i met them, MIL and SIL told me "okay, you seems to be a good person, so we must tell you who HE truly is ! A liar, a stoler and a coward. We love him, but trust us, leave far away from him". That's the level of love they feel for him. 
Then, everytime i saw them, they put me appart to tell me horrible things about him. Same thing in front of SS "your father is a coward, if he yell at you we will be yelling higher". 
 

One day, 3 years ago, SIL was there at home when DH was arguing with SS about someting. DH was really calm to SS, but SIL wake up and said "i can't be the witness of an abusive father who mistreat my nefew". 

Just to set the scene. So to sum up, they hate DH because it's just the way it is. They are completely jealous because he is the only one who took a different way and make is own independant life. They hate me because i'm helping him with that, and they definetely hate my son because obviously, i'm his mother. 
Just as simple as that. 
 

EDIT : SIL was also an emotionally abused child. She was the antidepressant of her mother. She often miss school to stay with her. However, by contrary, she was not beated and completely spoiled with gifts. So she grew up believing she is a good person compared to her brother, but she learned nothing about how to set up a healthy life. 

CastleJJ's picture

So if that is the way things are, why do BM and DH allow SS to know them and be around them? I'm sorry, but I would never allow my child to be around people who abused me. And why do ILs love SS so much if he is DH's child and DH is an utter failure in their eyes? Usually, in dysfunctional families like this, offspring of the black sheep are also black sheep. Rarely do you see offspring of the black sheep turn into the golden child. 

Caroline2b1211's picture

My thoughts ? BM loves free child keeping. 
After first PAS started, DH asked her many times to not letting SS goes to MIL. But she answered "i know she is using SS to make you suffer, but who am i to interfere in their relationship ?" ... well the mother ? 
BM is not mean, she is just stupid and non capable of protecting his son. 
Plus, DH doesn't allow SS to go there on his time, however BM send him on her time. 
When we didn't have our baby, she never wanted to keep him more than two hours, but since my baby birth, she would do anything to have him everytime. 
Before, MIL and SIL would forgot his birthday, and would only show affection when it could bother SS. 
DH is the black sheep, true. So everything is welcomed to make him suffer, even his own son. 
However SS is not the "golden child". When he is at MIL she let him spend 14 hours per day on his phone, as an example. If he falls sick at her home, she won't send him to the doctor, because she doesn't want to lose time. The golden child is SIL baby son.

Plus, DH stayed his entire life in his dysfunctional family. It's really hard to admit your family didn't treat you well and abused you. He is working with it with his therapist, but the way is long