I know some...ok....most of you all will be mad at me for saying this, but tearing rags apart(pardon the pun) needs to stop. He's new here, and was responding to some other posts, and was giving his opinion, imput, and some things that worked for him and his SS(i don't understand the confusion about him being a he or she, it's in his posts what he is!!!) I really thought that we all were going to read responsis, and take from them what we want, or need that is helpful to our situation, and not respond, or ignore to what we don't like or agree with. Sure, we all should be able to express our opinion, we have that right to voice how we feel, but I have found that a simple "no thanks", or "don't agree w/ you" or even no response at all works best, with something we really don't like. We do not live in rags home, and we do not know what he has really been through on a every day basis.....so it's hard to judge. We have all had moments where we have "shown our ass", and have been fed up with our skids/kids/ DH's, etc. and either said or done, or wished we could do some extreme things. Some times kids do have some extreme behaviors, that need some extreme consiquences. As parents it's really up to us what we will and will not do as far as punishments. Rags is being spoken to like a guy that has said..."hey, I beat the brat for fun"....and even though we all may not agree w/ his disipline measures, it's no need to point fingers, and lynch him. JMO. I'm sorry if this post stirs the pot any further, or makes me any enimies. , but I like to come here for help w/ tough times, to vent, and recieve advice, no matter what it is. Just my feelings.