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Disengaged? Not disengaged?

Miss T's picture

Over the past 10 or 12 years since I met, hostilities between me and SS26 have grown to the point where I decided to disengage. SS lives out of town and has a great job that pays at least twice what DH earns, but he passively allows DH to pick up odd costs in the form of cell phone bills and happily allows us to incur the cost and inconvenience of feeding and putting him up at our house when he's staying in town. Nothing huge, but he's a big boy with plenty of disposable income and should pay his own way, perhaps even rent a motel room or stay with friends when in town. (His mother lives in a rented room and has no place to put her kid up, so the burden falls on us.)

As stated, hostilities have progressed over the years, and I recently established that SS will not be staying overnight in our home again, ever. DH acted all butt hurt about this, but it's settled law now. Unfortunately a new wrinkle has developed--SS plans vacation and holiday trips with his buds, and invites DH along. DH, poor soul, does not see this maneuver for what it is, and accepts happily, seeming to think that he, a 60-year-old bald guy, fits right in with the 20-somethings. On his recent return from a long motorcycling weekend with the young men, he was again all butt hurt because I wouldn't listen to the exciting details. I was and am, frankly, disgusted with the whole thing from beginning to end.

"Since you don't care about my trip," he whispered/muttered/otherwise tried to say to me without my quite noticing, "you won't care if I plan a ski trip this winter with SS."

Well, as a matter of fact, I do care, very much. In fact I care so much that I spent several hours explaining at volume and with some animation to DH that we are not the kind of people, and I do not want to be in the kind of marriage, where the couple take separate vacations. If SS comes to the house, fine, I will find somewhere else to be (as long as it's not overnight.) If he wants to meet SS for a restaurant meal (and pick up the check, SS being noticeably slow when it comes to these things) that's fine with me. Hell, if he wants to go skiing with SS for a day, he has my blessings. But long holiday weekends and vacations with SS--Nopenopenope. Not happening again.

n the one hand, I'd like to stay completely insulated from SS. Time is on my side in regard to these trips. Sooner or later, the young men are going to either find girlfriends and want to vacation alone with them, or they're going to get tired of Disney Dad tagging along, or something else is going to give. On the other hand, I do not like being set up like this, and my very strong inclination is to go on these trips as DH has now agreed I have every right and expectation to do. And smile, smaile, smile. (For what it may be I also ski and ride motorcycles, though I would not be so foolish as to try to keep up with the bros as one older party I know apparently does.)

Would be interested in hearing y'all's take on this. Many thanks in advance.

CANYOUHELP's picture

I think you have responded appropriately, personally, and what you are saying is reasonable. I bet after the first trip (you will be going, as well); these little side trips will suddenly be of no interest to the SS or HB..lol.

Great move....

Kes's picture

Personally, I wouldn't like it if my DH went on holiday with my SDs. He spent a lot of time while they were growing up, taking them away on long weekends to theme parks etc, and on one occasion a week to New York (we are in the UK).

About a year or two ago, we were talking and he said he might take them up to see his mother in Yorkshire - without me, I might add. I said "Why would you want to do that?" and was quite annoyed. I told him that I had put up with being lonely and left out all the time they were growing up, but I wasn't prepared to tolerate it now they are grown up.

As you say, time is on your side regarding the trips, but I can completely understand how you feel.

enuf's picture

My dh recently divorced me due to his ds48. I must confessed when I was married I was so lonely, which is odd considering I had a mate. However, because he needed to shower his ds with attention. His quota for showering attention was used up when it came to me. He even spent our first day as husband and wife at his ds's place watching television because that is what ds wanted and he wanted to show him that he was important on our very important day. I am so glad that is all over. I cannot believe I tolerated what I did, and again I was very lonely. He and his ds went to each other's dentist and doctors appointments. They went grocery shopping together, for drives together apart form weekend watching sports on tv. While I just sat there by myself.

Sadly ex72 confessed to my ds that he is lonely, but that he will just have to get used to it. I had left hundreds of my the photos of my children behind in a file cabinet in the a huge empty basement mistakenly. I just received a small flat rate envelope that cost $6.00 with a note from him them saying that he went through all my photos and got rid of the ones "HE" thought were duplicates, not good, or that I might not want. How hard would it have been from him to just mail all the photos in the larger Priority mail box. Why would he taken upon himself to go through all my photos and sort them. Bizarre and cruel!!! However, a great reminder of what a gift he gave me in divorcing me because of his ds.

Acratopotes's picture

My opinion on this issue.... I will tell SO... it's the end babe, cause you prefer holidaying with your children then with your partner... good bey..

I'm just so tired of skids coming first all the time and being the alpha and omega.... why do you want to have a wife if you want to holiday with your adult children? SO will go on one of his holidays and when he returns there will be nothing to return to..... I will be gone ...

I've already made this decision and Aergia is not even an adult yet Biggrin

SMto2's picture

I guess I'm not clear on what the objection is, other than your DH is spending time having fun with his son when you're not present. You say, "DH, poor soul, does not see this maneuver for what it is," but you don't say WHAT it is. Is it money spent, vacation time, or something else? I know you said SS asks DH to pay "odd costs," such as his cell phone bill. Is he asking your DH to pay for more than DH's portion of the trip, such that you think DH is only invited to foot the bill? Or, perhaps, if your DH pays even his portion of the trip, does that cut into your budget to be able to vacation together? Or maybe your DH only has a certain number of vacation days a year, so if he goes with SS, he won't have as many with you?

If money your DH spends on the trip means he doesn't have money for you all to go on vacation together, I understand that. Or, if it means he doesn't have any time off work left for the two of you to take a vacation, I get that as well.

Otherwise, I personally don't see what the problem is, and I think it's great his son wants to spend time with his Dad along with his friends. As you yourself pointed out, there will come a time when SS no longer wants to do these things with your DH due to his own life & obligations, so why shouldn't they do it now? The fact that your DH was "butt hurt" indicates these things bring him joy, and it makes me sad for him that you crushed his enthusiasm when he tried to share it with you.

My DH used to take my SSs on father-son trips when they were teenagers, which I thought was awesome. I'd love for them to do that today, and I'd even be glad to pay for it, but my oldest SS & DH only have limited days off of work, and the youngest SS is too self-absorbed to give DH the time of day. Unless I'm missing some information that's not stated (or perhaps it is stated and I'm missing it!) I guess if I were you, I'd happily enjoy my time alone (or with my own friends) when DH was doing this and would be as supportive as possible.

ETA: Also, I can't imagine expecting my SSs (or my bios, when they're grown!)to stay at a HOTEL rather than my home when they're in town! And I also would expect to at least provide most of their meals, like any other guests (unless, of course, you're talking about them staying for weeks on end and not just a regular visit.) However, I realize you mentioned there are "hostilities," so perhaps this is what makes the visits difficult, and if so, I understand that. However, the fact that I was providing a place to stay and meals when DH's kids were in town would not bother me in the least, and if they even suggested paying for a hotel, I'd insist they stay with us, but we have a good relationship.

sandye21's picture

In the first sentence the OP wrote that there are hostilities between she and SS. She has discussed this with DH. Considering this, it is understandable she does not want to listen to how the vacation went or allow him to disrespect her in their home.

I agree we need more information as far as how many extended vacations DH takes with the OP compared to SS. My SD has been hostile to me since the first day of our marriage. I will never allow someone who is hostile and rude to me to stay in our home. DH can to take a vacation with SD as long as we also take extended vacations together, and I don't have to hear about her. If DH wants to change this situation he will let SD know she is to respect me as his wife. Same with the OP.

Miss T's picture

Thanks, all, for the comments, including the (kinda) critical ones. You've moved me to reconsider my position on separate vacations. I won't bore you by re-hashing years of incidents and backstory. The present question is whether I should make an issue of being cut out of/not invited on holiday trips. I am going to have to re-think this, and again I do appreciate everyone's input.