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Delphi's picture

Well, so Friday afternoon rolled around and we picked up SD. I was in a fairly good mood at this point, but as soon as SD got in the car, we could tell something was wrong. She was sullen and didn't talk like she normally does. The whole ride home DH and I were chatting between ourselves, and I assumed SD was in the back reading her Kindle (as she normally does) but when DH was asking her directly how she was doing, she didn't respond. He asked her if she was crying? I felt awkward and embarrassed, for her really...I know she doesn't like to show her true feelings around me, and I felt like he was putting her on the spot. She didn't say anything then and I just acted like I had no idea what was going on.

Anyway, so we get home and of course DH goes into her room and chats with her. He's with her the rest of the night. Finally, she goes to bed and DH tells me what happened. She sees a therapist, and apparently told the therapist that she felt that when she's here, she is "bored" and that DH doesn't do enough with her. That at her mom's she eats "healthy" while here she doesn't. She complained that she doesn't get out enough or outside enough. So DH told me all this.

I tried to remain calm. I tried NOT to let it make my blood boil - but it didn't matter - it still happened, and for some reason I'm STILL pissed. Now you might be wondering WHY I'm angry. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure myself. Maybe it's because I feel she needs so much of his attention ALREADY that now this means MORE! He took her out to dinner and ice cream and spent the ENTIRE evening with her on Friday to placate her, and also Saturday he did all these activities with her. She told him what she wanted to do with him TODAY too. And when I actually went out with the 2 of them yesterday, she kept holding his hand while we walked, and hanging all over him.

I told him this behavior annoys me - I told him that I feel that she's almost 13, and needs to learn to grow up a bit and be more independent - but of course, he just doesn't get it. He thinks that if I "engaged her" more, the problem would go away. The problem is, I don't really want to. So maybe, the problem IS me. I have trouble being 1:1 with her - she tries to act like an adult with me and it's bothers me. She doesn't listen very well, and she tries to compete with me, intellectually. She's a smart kid, but very much a know it all. She has no ability to admit she's ever wrong about anything, and she makes excuses for herself whenever she IS wrong about something. But the rest of the time she tries to act like an authority on all things. It sorta drives me bat-shit crazy.

I know these are just personality conflicts - but still it annoys me. Right now I'm fuming. I'm just so fricken unhappy most of the times these days - and angry. I'm trying to learn how to handle it. I got a hold of my therapist so hopefully I can see him and it will help. I feel so trapped all the time.

I think I'm going to try and find a job during the weekday AND weekends just so I can avoid be around things most of the time. I just am having such a hard time learning to deal with this. My husband is supportive, and he listens to me - but I KNOW he still sees ME as the problem. He does not see ANY fault in his daughter. Not that there is much - but still.

I had a difficult childhood. I was abused by mother who was certifiably insane, my father left when I was 10. My brothers and I practically raised ourselves. It's so hard for me to be around a young kid who gets SO much attention and affection from her parents, and gifts, and material things, and time - and yet STILL complains about being bored or neglected. I just totally don't get it.

I feel like living like this is just setting off a lot of triggers for me. Oh well, I'll learn how to deal. Anyway, if anyone has read this, thanks for listening. And THANK GOD for this forum once again and that we all have a place to VENT. Thank you thank you thank you!!!

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ltman's picture

Wow. She learned what buttons to push. She learned the "l'm bored, better at moms," routine not at her therapist. And dh fell right for it. YSd tried this with her dad and we were sole custody, bm is dead. Her escape was aunt. His response was "I have some dishes for you to do, if you're so bored. We can do them together, you rinse and I'll watch."

The way your dh jumped sounds very Disney dad. She succeeded in separating him from you. He needs to nip that in the bud otherwise he's going to have a so much bigger problem in 2 years. He needs to understand teen girls are by their very nature manipulative. Does not matter from intact or divorce families.

leslie814's picture

I agree with "itman" who knows what she really told her therapist. What she is doing is manipulating the weekends to be all about her. She knows it works and will continue to do it for as long as it works and when it doesn't? Well she will likely stop coming to visit and I'm sure that will be all your fault as well.

Delphi's picture

Well DH asked point blank if she no longer wants to come here - she said no. And she also said that her friend's Dad who was divorced 5 years ago just died and her friend told her that she wished she had more time with him - she told DH all of this. Maybe these are legit concerns. The thing is - she has TONS of time with DH - always has. I give them 1:1 time non-stop every f'in weekend. I could exit the equation further, but I'm sick of being pushed out of my own fricken marriage. And I'm pissed that DH is blind to all of this. It makes me so pissed.

leslie814's picture

I also try to give 1:1 time its usually before bed they lay down and watch a movie. Gives me a chance to look at the internet without little prying eyes anyway. But I don't mind the skids too much we get along but they are not teenagers yet and don't want to spend my weekend "alone" yes i go with friends sometimes but you know what I mean. I think it would hurt my feelings the things you are describing we do activities together yes they are here to visit him but I am part of him. DH wouldn't want to go do these special things without me weekends are the time we get off of work to spend time together too. It seems to be divorce guilt that I can not relate to and the men (and mom's too) seem to display it in their own ways.

Delphi's picture

Yes thanks...I understand what you mean. Sometime it feels like they're in this club, and you're just not a part of it. Sad

Sparklelady's picture

Yep, ^this^. What Itman said.

You are mad, because you can sense the manipulation that is occurring. You're also probably quite pissed (rightly so) at your husband because he fell for it - and essentially pushed you aside.

Definition of boredom: "There are three types of boredom, all of which involve problems of engagement of attention. These include times when we are prevented from engaging in wanted activity, when we are forced to engage in unwanted activity, or when we are simply unable for no apparent reason to maintain engagement in any activity or spectacle." Which category does she fall into?

Is she only there on weekends? If so, why not try this: have a PLEASANT chat with your husband encouraging him to spend a little bit of one-on-one time with your SD on the Saturday of her visit. It would totally be appropriate for your husband and his daughter to have coffee/tea together for one hour without you. They could talk about whatever they like, they could hold hands as much as they like (gag) and you don't have to be anywhere near it. The cost of the tea or coffee is about five dollars total, so there's no resentment of money being spent.

Then, take a look through your stepdaughter's room, and see if there's any project that could be done specifically for her bedroom - building a bookshelf, doing some sort of picture frame collage, etc. Then, PLEASANTLY suggest to your husband that he should do one of these projects with your stepdaughter on the Sunday of her visit. Total cost of something like this could be zero dollars up to say $10 - The point of this is that it's something they're doing together, but not out spending money away from the house leaving you behind.

I would suggest trying to do this for a couple of months, making it routine for them to spend an hour together on Saturday and an hour together on Sunday. By limiting this to only an hour each day, you won't have the resentment build up that you're being left behind (that's a totally legitimate resentment!) and he's not setting a precedent where he's going to take her out every Saturday and every Sunday and shower her with gifts and money - again, leaving you behind. If her complaint truly is that she's bored and misses HIM, spending one-on-one time with him BUT not spending money should be the answer to the problem. Your husband will then feel like he is engaging her, giving her the attention that she needs. Her need to manipulate his time, should (in theory) decrease. You get an hour to yourself both days on the weekend, and you get to look like a good guy for encouraging him to engage her.

Of course, this will only work if she's actually being truthful and just wants to spend more time with her dad. It would be so nice if she were not a completely manipulative mini wife in the making!

Edit: haha, just read more of your story after posting this, looks like I should say never mind! Smile

Generic's picture

From a stepdaughter's perspective, i would have killed for this. I wonder if the many girlfriends my father had over the years resented the one night a week I had with my father. The only time we had by ourselves were camping and fishing only because none of the women wanted to go!

Delphi's picture

It's possible...I think part of me is dealing with some kind of jealousy on my part - but I can't help but get the feeling DH's daughter is really trying to ram home to me - that I'm the outsider. I mean it was always that way.

And lately she just keeps hanging on him (literally) all the time. I just find it odd...

Generic's picture

Heck I can understand because I will even resent my own DD relationship with her dad and we're an intact! I never got enough of my dad as a child and I find myself getting jealous of what they have. It's like a big spotlight on what I didn't have. I think you know what I mean.

Generic's picture

Yeah, it is. It's fairly common to be triggered this way. Our childhood dysfunctions can be used as healing opportunities as adults if we stay in touch with ourselves.

20YearsAsAStep-Mom's picture

She sounds like a spoiled brat / mini-wife. Why don't you go out and do other things and leave DH with her. It really won't be fun for her to take DH's attention all the time if you are not there to be annoyed. I think she is competing with you and trying to get to you. Even negative attention is attention.

I get how you feel and problem is DH will often baby their DD's especially after divorce. DH sounds like the typical guilty Disney Dad on Step-talk.

She is the child, you and DH are the adults - DH needs to man up and treat her accordingly. If he lets her run the show now it will only get worse.

Delphi's picture

Thanks guys. It's nice to hear that I'm not completely "crazy" afterall. I mean I had a total melt-down yesterday after we dropped off SD for her sleepover (yes, after an ENTIRE day with Daddy she then had a sleepover arranged) and she even told him yesterday BEFORE the sleepover - "Dad, I was thinking after you pick me up we can go to Starbucks and chill?" I mean didn't she get ENOUGH fr*cken time with him yesterday and Friday? I mean - seriously - it was ALL DAY Friday afternoon into night, and ALL DAY yesterday.

The reason she said she doesn't eat well here is because DH buys her WHATEVER FOOD SHE WANTS - she never wants to eat anything else. Suddenly, out of left field it's "you don't feed me healthy food like mom." And she's bored? She spends ALL DAY every day on her computer, phone, Kindle, or gaming device - she never leaves her room to come out! What it is - if WERE not doing an activity she wants - she just reads her Kindle - shuts me and DH out entirely. She's a master at this. And of course, it's fine in that she's not being obnoxious or anything, but she never tries to engage us. I wonder how she would function without her Kindle - it's with her AT ALL TIMES.

And yes DH is a total Disney Dad. I've tried to tell him this but he just doesn't see it. And now with the spiel she layed on him Friday night, he'll NEVER entertain that idea.

I think you all are right - she does vie with me for his attention. And to make it harder, she's an actress and in all sorts of drama clubs - and she's good - and I get the feeling she's a lot better at this stuff than I am. Or maybe I'm just being paranoid...I really have no idea anymore...

Edited to add - all of this is destroying our intimate life. I have so much resentment right now towards DH - for his ignorance, and stubbornness, that I can't nor do I want to, really get close to him.

This totally sucks.

Delphi's picture

We were just out - DH and I were going to go to a concert together - he asked her if she wanted to come or stay home. Inititally she said she'd stay home, but our TV isn't working right now so she changed her mind. So she came. She kept running up to him and looping her arm around him. She told him she wanted "brownies" after the concert. He told her "maybe." Then she told me how much she looooves brownies and just kind of wanted them? I'm like "what did your father say?" She goes "he didn't say anything." I just acted nice to her - but all I could think was - "don't you already get everything you ever ask for?" Anyway, she constantly runs up to him and hugs him and hangs all over him. We just got home and she's like "I love you Daddy. You're the best Daaaadeeee in the WHOOOLE world!" And he's like "thanks - I appreciate that."

It's hard to know if I'm really being manipulated because she does everything with a smile on her face when she gets what she wants. And I'm pretty sure she'd hang out with me 1:1 as long as we were doing things she was into. The thing is, I'm not really into just hanging out 1:1 - I feel like I can't really handle that right now. I'm ok when we're a group, but 1:1 I feel strange about. I am so confused. I know she's lonely, but isn't this excessive? Today she comes with us to the concert, and now her and Daddy are going to work on a special project together. I think I'm going to get some smokes and go to the mall for the rest of the day. I haven't had a cigarette in over a year, but I'm really feeling it again...

Delphi's picture

My GOD - she could never do chores! God forbid! DH said he was going to get her to start doing some a weekend before this one - but of course, after her talk, he didn't ask her to do any. I would be shocked to see her wash a dish. Her room is a DISASTER. I just close the door on it. DH asks her to do nothing - and his reasoning? Well, his parents didn't ask him to do too much when he was a kid either...although now that I think of it, he did mention that they had him do regular chores - so I don't know what the hell.

Delphi's picture

All I do is listen to her talk about how she's tired, or stressed, or how hard her school is, or this or that - it's like she has no regard for anyone else's feelings. I guess that might be a teen thing...but it still annoys me. And I can totally see her in her PJs at 2 PM in the future...of course DH wouldn't care...

Delphi's picture

Ugh...she just goes on and on. I'll be standing there, talking to an adult with some other adults, and then she'll just start talking to me - OVER TALKING the adult - and she'll just go on and on and on!!! And the weird thing is - SHE'S TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS! I mean she just totally interrupts and starts talking to me, while this adult was, and then I feel FORCED to acknowledge her and respond to HER! So of course I'm left OUT of the conversation HER DAD and OTHER ADULTS were involved in, and now I have to ENTERTAIN HIS KID. IT DRIVES ME NUTS!!!

What should I say when this happens? Any advice from anyone? I'm such a novice with kids...I have no idea what to do.

B22S22's picture

You respond to her her by pointing out that you and "other person" were having a conversation, it's rude to interrupt, and she will have her chance to talk to you once your conversation with "other person" is done.

My kids are teenagers, but I taught them a long time ago YOU DON'T INTERRUPT ADULTS (unless there is visible blood or bone).

Delphi's picture

Thanks guys - I think I'll just try saying "I'm sorry ________, but I'm having a conversation right now. Can you tell me later?"

That's perfectly reasonable right? I just have to try it next time.

Thanks again for all your advice!

oneoffour's picture

I think your DH is trying to make 2 women happy. And we know that hardly EVER happens!

But that being said ... part of her tactic is to let you remain left out. This is their special club and you are not included. So how to change the dynamic?

One thing I did to gain my s/sons attention and respect was to put DH in his place if her overstepped the boundaries. For instance DH once started saying pissy things about his ex. The comments were true but his sons didn't need to hear about it. Their parents are divorced so one can assume not a lot of love is lost between them! I told DH "Please do not talk about *name* like that. It is unnecessary and just mean." HE stopped.

You could have done the same thing "Please, don't ask SD what is wrong and push her for answers right now with me here. It is uncomfortable for me and most likely her as well."

And you can let them hang out all weekend. Sitting around with Daddyio all the time will not be all that great. Especially if you are out getting your nails done, checking out the mall, doing something she is likely to want to do.

As for the sleepover... DH should instruct her with "If you want to make plans for a sleepover you need to check with me first. I want to know where you are going and who is going to be there. The next time you tell me of your plans and don't ask the answer will be no. And all the crying and slamming of doors will not change my mind. You must ASK. I am responsible for you. And just like your mother being concerned for your diet and feeding you healthy food I am concerned for your safety. So mom gives you healthy food and I make sure you are safe when you are here. That makes us good parents..."

I hate it when kids tell me what their plan is. 12 yr olds are not renown for their good decision-making skills.

So maybe the next time she is over mention something like .. "SD, I am so glad you are here. I have girl-plans and your dad would be lonely here all by himself. I have an appointment for nails and hair.. got to check out the spring styles... You can come if you want. But f you want to stay with your Dad I understand..."

This way you are 'engaging' her but giving her an out to hang with her dad while you shop (or not. You can always buy a knick knack and say nothing REALLY caught your eye but you stocked up on socks).

Delphi's picture

Sorry - maybe I was confusing in my last post. She didn't set-up the sleep-over...she was invited. But she did want to set up plans for when she was picked up this morning. And she tells DH what she wants, when she wants it, and he just rolls over and obliges. For example "Daddy, I'm going to chill for now...I just feel like I need to relax and do nothing...then you can quiz me." It's like she calls the shots, and DH jumps.

I am so. over. all. of. this.

moeilijk's picture

I think she wants to connect with your DH, and him playing Disney Dad is a way of keeping her at a distance. He's putting her in a role that is unrealistic. We complain of it as mini-wife syndrom, but it's not a WIFE he's treating her like, it's like he's trying to impress her. She knows it's false, he knows it's false, but it's all they've got and SM coming to the table saying 'dating your daughter is weird and that's how you two interact' is seriously threatening to both of them.

Delphi's picture

Well after their "talk" DH says they came up with "4 action items." 1) for him to make her more healthy dinners 2) for him to spend more quality time with her 3) for her to have more play-dates set-up in advance...and I forget the 4th one. Looking at these, it all seems somewhat reasonable - but what makes me question it is - it seems like she's calling the shots.

I mean, I told DH "Look, you're the father. Shouldn't you be dictating how this house is run? Shouldn't you do this stuff? It just seems weird to me that a child is running the show."

And he agrees with me...blah blah blah. But it's stinkin' lip service he gives me. Nothing changes. He just agrees - but he never fricken' mans up and ASKS her to do ANY WORK around here, or to eat what he makes her. If she doesn't like something, he makes her something else to eat. She gets dessert special every evening. He takes her out to eat ALL THE TIME. They go out to eat together CONSTANTLY and I sit at home.

I'm so sick of all of this.

Delphi's picture

Thanks - and I think you're right. A counselor is now looking like it's going to be inevitable...

Starla's picture

He is creating a monster and is falling for her manipulation. I'd educate your DH with reading material bc if you explain this to a Disney dad, it most likely will be taken as a personal attack in his eyes. I think he does mean well and is trying to be a good parent who is involved but he is blind to the damage that this is causing. I'm sure that she will pull the "I don't want to visit you dad" card when he does put his foot down, if he does put his foot down.

I've been there where you are at now and its like pulling teeth when you are trying to get through to the father. I drug my DH here to Step Talk so he could SEE what I was talking about. Many may not agree with how I did it or would not be wanting their spouse to know what they are saying/venting but it did wonders for our communication.

Delphi's picture

Thanks for the advice. I've told him about the book Step Monster - I try to talk to him about these things rationally and in a sort of "objective" manner in order to get through to him - but I've never seen anyone be so blind or stubborn. He just sticks his head in the sand. I give him something to read and he "skims" it or throws up excuses as to how his daughter is different.

I told him I come to this forum (of course he's never actually seen it, nor does he know what I post) - but I have told him that I come here just to vent and get advice. His comment was that all of the people on here have such horror children, while his daughter is so great and has nothing in common with all the people on here! I guess that means it's all in MY head? I'm the crazy one!!??!

Bojangles's picture

The cockiness and acting like an adult and commenting on things as though she's an authority is absolutely typical for her age. I tell you that just to try and depersonalise those issues because they're definitely not specific to her. And I do know how annoying it is. You either have to laugh silently, ignore it, or deliver a put down, and if you do too much of the latter they will take offence!

On the Daddy hogging - research suggests that the strength of a girls relationship with her Dad is crucial to her self esteem as she enters puberty. The trouble is that a strong relationship requires honesty and boundaries and being able to say no as well as knowing when to say yes. Not just quantity of time spent together, or an artificially intense on focus on the child's wishes. Yes some spoiling and indulging can be a good thing in making a child feel loved and valued, especially when they have limited time with a parent, but not every weekend and not all weekend. SD may think she wants the weekend to revolve around her, but being able to tell her Dad what to do won't actually make her feel secure, it'll make her feel insecure because he's not acting like the stable authority figure. Unfortunately it's nigh on impossible to get a NCP to understand this, or change behaviour motivated by insecurity and fear.

Because of your own childhood you are probably particularly badly placed to tolerate the situation. If I were you I would try to do one 'quality time' thing with them each weekend - eat out, watch a movie etc, to show willing, and then do your own thing for most of the remainder of the time. It will just drive you insane waiting around while they go on dates, and if you object to the dates it will cause friction. If you go merrily on your way with friends/hobby/job DH may find he misses having you around and will come to the conclusion he needs more time with you. It works a lot better if they come to that conclusion themselves.

Delphi's picture

Thank you. I appreciate your recognizing my current state - and I think you're totally right regarding my being particularly badly placed to tolerate all of this. I think your suggestion of 1 quality time thing a weekend is about all I can handle.

Now the key is finding enough activities outside the home on the weekend to keep me away from all of this. I really can't stand witnessing everything I have to witness.

farting_glitter's picture

1. the therapist is an idiot
2. your SD is a manipulator
3. your DH is an idiot
4. the end

Delphi's picture

LOL! Maybe it is as simple as that! I always figured myself to be a calm, cool and collected human being - I'm surprised by how unhinged all of this is making me. Surely I'm not reacting to nothing!?

Delphi's picture

Biggrin Haha! Ok that makes more sense! Lol! And thank God for this forum eh? Yeah - finally we can "chat" with others who "get it." And thank you for taking the time to read and respond to my posts :-). I'm glad you're posting now too! Smile

onebanana's picture

"she tries to act like an adult with me and it's bothers me. "

Then let her, and don't let it bother you.

If she acts like an adult with you, treat her like an adult.

Don't cook for her, don't clean for her, don't pay for her, don't drive her, make her do all the things an adult can do and if she can't (drive, cook proper meals, etc.) then too bad - she's an adult, right? So it's not your problem.

That may or may not fix it, but at least it'll spare you the stress.

Delphi's picture

Thank you - I think you're right. I'm working at not caring/let things get to me. I seem to need to learn to create this like invisible bubble around me so that nothing can penetrate AND so that I don't ruminate over things. Someone I think posted on here (or maybe I read it somewhere else) about how women tend to ruminate on things whereas men don't - and then issues seem to escalate and escalate and escalate in our minds until it feels unbearable. I wish I didn't do this. I really have to learn how to just not let things bother me.

Thanks again for your help and advice - I'll work on this. Practice makes perfect right? Smile

Delphi's picture

I believe he had to have her every weekend - Friday after school and then drop-off on Monday. I don't know if time spent directly with DH is tracked though? Not sure I'm answering your question right?

But yeah - excellent point. If this were a nuclear family, I'm sure DH wouldn't be worried about her being "bored."

IslandGal's picture

Ugh! Yet another mini wife with clueless disney dad.

Op - your DH is in a relationship with his kid, not you. If he is focusing on her WANTS and not her NEEDS then he is a disney dad. He needs to learn two very important things (thanks to STalk, I got this gold advice!).

#1 Priority - YOU
#1 Responsibility - his kid

For the sake of his relationship, he needs to sort this out. His main focus should be on your happiness and strengthening your relationship. Making sure that his kid knows that you are his partner, he supports you and you are a united front.

My SO did exactly this same thing - he would try to keep her happy and fall over himself doing so. After counselling, he's woken up to the fact that he was raising an emotionally stunted child. He wasn't guiding her through our relationship and was pretty much focused on her WANTS. She WANTED me gone - didn't want him in a relationship, regardless.

Counsellor advised us to look at our relationship like an onion. If the core of the onion is rotten, you throw it out. Only TWO people can be in the core - that you and your hubby. The outer layers signify the others - i.e. kids, family, friends, acquaintainces. Each layer signifies a boundary. Problem starts when one tries to cross over into the other. E.g. your hubby and his daughter are sitting in the inner core and you are in an outer layer. That's why you feel the way you do. I felt like this early in our relationship adn thought I was losing my mind. Who the hell wants to be made to feel as though they are in competition with a kid?

Unfortunately, actions of your DH and his daughter are making you feel like an outsider, yes? So, he has to learn to push her out of the core, and keep you in there with him. The sooner he starts to guide her and teach her, the sooner she'll adapt.

Hopefully, your DH gets it. Otherwise, he may have to seriously consider spending the rest of his life alone..on standby for his daughter.. who will be off living her life merrily and not worrying about him.

Delphi's picture

Yes!!!! Thank you!!! Quick question - did you do counseling with just your DH, or with SD AND DH? 'Cause I'd rather it just be me and DH in counseling ... SD already has her own counselor.

I'd hope to get a counselor as good as yours too... Any good tips on how to find one?

Yeah, right now I feel he feels his priority is definitely his daughter... Not me. Right now I feel like saying " you know what? You two can have each other 'cause I quit." Of course I would not say that now... But I certainly feel like that now.

I'm so worked up over all of this I haven't really slept the last few days.

Argh!!!

Thank you again for your advice and reply though - its really helpful to hear others' perspectives so I really appreciate it!

Oh - and one thing I forgot to mention in all of this - was that when I've told DH how I've felt, and such... He just comes back to me with "I just want us to do things together as a family" - so of course then I look like the bad guy and an ass. I mean god forbid he actually "parent" his daughter - and god forbid he doesn't do everything she wants. It's so fricken pathetic to witness - how they're like best buddies. Oh - they have such GREAT time together!

I'll make sure they have all the damn time they could ever want... When I'm off doing my own thing * grumble grumble*

IslandGal's picture

We did counselling on our own - without SD. She's been in and out of counselling for the last 3 years. This actually went towards helping us understand our situation and it really opened SO's eyes.

I googled our counsellor - I just googled "Counsellor with step family experience" and found one in Parramatta, NSW. Our Counsellor is Bridge Counselling - the lady we saw has 17 years experience dealing with step families. She told us one of the most common questions from couples was how to deal with how fathers allowed their daughters to walk all over them.

A lot of this was due to dad's guilt - and the child's manipulating of him. It's lots easier for a girl to manipulate her Dad it seems. SO wanted us all to get along - but his problem was that he was so focused on keeping SD happy, he didn't "see" that he was damaging his new relationship.

Since SO put his foot down, SD has been absolutely FURIOUS with him and hasn't been to visit in 5 months. SO is deeply saddened by this, but he refuses to reward her bad attitude and wants her to learn the consequences of her behaviour. What makes the entire situation worse, is that BM supports SD 100% in her attitude with SO. BM hasn't been happy that SO is in a new relationship and she no longer has any control over him. She is encouraging SD in her attitude and refuses to do anything about it. BM is also super hypocritical in that she moved in with her lesbian lover 2 months after dating and just let the kids deal with it. SO actually supported her relationship and this allowed the kids to accept it easier. When he did the same - she got upset and told him not to move in with me so soon. Her reasoning was that it would NOT be in the best interests of the children. Fuckn hypocrite.

SO also had to go to mediation (before we went to counselling) and the mediator told him that SD was acting like a jilted lover. This however, was due to SO's parenting -as he put her on equal status and this resulted in her attitude.

Only your hubby can fix SD's attitude by guiding her. He has to see that he is raising a spoilt, entitled manipulative child. He keeps this up and she will grow up believing that this is how relationships operate. That one MUST control the other. Can't see her sustaining a healthy relationship with this attitude.

Hang in there - ask your hubby to go to counselling with you - this is one sure fire way of making him wake up.

Delphi's picture

Thank you again Smile I spoke to DH about this last night - well, spoke isn't exactly the right word... it turned into more of an argument. :O But I got my point across, and he got his across, and he listened to me - however I wasn't sure he really "heard" me ya know? I told him I think we need to see a marriage counselor and he agreed.

Today we talked some more, and I sent him a few articles to read on fathers and their "princess" daughters, and one on when wives disengage, and why. I let him red those while I was out. When I came back he told me he'd read them. He said the one about the "princess" daughters pissed him off to be honest - but - that maybe he was being defensive. I just listened. He said he felt some of the points were valid. I pressed him on the issues and tried to be as rational as I could re: my observations. I told him about the "onion" as you mentioned. Smile He was in agreement with me that WE should be in the center, THEN his daughter, and then everyone else. I said "yes - but you treat your daughter like your partner. Not me! I'm the wife! I'm your partner!"

Anyway, he listened to me, and took it in. And we talked some more and he seemed to understand my point of view better - so that's some progress...I think.

But we NEED to get that counselor. I think he's still not quite seeing things clearly - or rather, he'll likely slip into old habits once the weekends roll around. That's why we NEED the counselor - so he can hopefully see things the way I do.

Anyway - here's hoping we find one as good as yours.

I'll let ya'll know how it goes. And thank you so much once again. Smile

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tessa12's picture

SD sounds like a "sourpuss," and once a sourpuss, always a sourpuss. I hope it gives you some comfort to know that she's pulling the same story at her mom's house. "Dad lets me watch tv and eat cereal for dinner."

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SD sounds like a "sourpuss," and once a sourpuss, always a sourpuss. I hope it gives you some comfort to know that she's pulling the same story at her mom's house. "Dad lets me watch tv and eat cereal for dinner."