Over the drama
Last night BM informed DH that SD had bypassed her parental locks on social media by going to the website for IG instead and she created a IG account. She found all these private messages that SD (12) initiated with older men and women talking about how she is pansexual and talking about BJs and telling these people her name, location, age, etc. I'm not surprised. When she had musically before I found a video of her provocatively dancing. The girl has been desperate for attention since I met her. The fake injuries, the faking taking meds to stay worse and now this comes to light. I think my prediction of her becoming pregnant at 16 is right on track. All of the pics she had posted of herself show her trying to show off cleavage and look sexy.
Of course this all comes to light right in time for BM to tell DH that he needs to skip my son's bday this weekend and our plans b/c of course another SD attention crisis. SD always trumps our son. Obviously I think this needs addressed and handled but BM has been handling it poorly for years and never addressed the attention seeking which is the issue and these incidents keep getting progressively worse.
I sent DH to the therapist with SD today (BM said the therapist would only allow one parent). We made a list last night of all her behaviors and patterns that have led up to this for him to take to the therapist as well of screenshots of her messages to these older IG users about sex. I'm also irritated it took DH this long to figure out it is all linked and attention seeking since I've been trying to tell him that for YEARS as well.
I see why 2nd families fail more than 1st families.
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Our society
sexualizes children. Ive been noticing this for YEARS. The clothing, the "influencers" on instagram. The porn industry. All of it geared in that direction. For children that are in "broken homes", that seems to be the pitfall is that attention deficit.
When Feral Forger was younger she sought attention in negative ways also. Now shes just a jerk. Munchkin loves attention, and Im hapy to give it to her because I have no bios. She eventually moves on to something different, but I can see how its frustrating that it has never been addressed until its "crisis mode". Sucks for your kiddo. I hope nothing is canceled, I hope that your DH understands he needs to not feed into the drama.
You are right CLove. It has
You are right CLove. It has been getting worse and I've noticed more shows with gay/trans/etc. I have nothing against these groups but I think that is why SD has also said she is gay/bi/pan/etc many times. She is easily influenced.
Yes, it needed handled long before crisis mode and crisis mode always happens when my son is getting attention and she isn't.
I am not cancelling my plans. I am not taking SD with me. She still has open MRSA sores. If BM makes us take her this weekend DH will have to stay home with her. This is on him as well. DH is getting better but still feeds into it way more than he should. It is just a hot mess.
Gay people
Arent turning your SD into anything! That’s a red herring.
Being poorly parented is 100% the problem. Lock down the WiFi, give her a flip phone, keep an actual eye on her.
But please do not go into homophobia as if gay people on social media/TV are in any way the problem.
In fact for those young people who are gay, it’s great there are role models out there and they aren’t forced to hide who they are as gay/transgendered youth still have high rates of suicide because too many people still fling around vile nonsense at them.
Aunt Agatha, I'm not a
Aunt Agatha, I'm not a homophob, lol! One of my bf is gay. I grew up around gay people. My mom's bf was gay. I said I don't have any issues with these groups. I just think SD wouldn't know what pansexual even was if it wasn't all over media/etc. My SD has been an attention seeker for a long time. I do think she uses this as an attention seeking tool. If she is actually gay I would 100% be okay with it and support her.
I also agree that it is 100% a parenting issue. BM won't work with DH. DH needs to step up.
Why does BM get to tell DH he
Why does BM get to tell DH he has to skip your son's b-day? And why would he listen?
It is technically our weekend
It is technically our weekend to have her. The CO states she keeps SD when she is sick. She has kept her all month b/c of open sores/MRSA that SD has. Now BM has plans so she is telling DH that it isn't contagious and he has to take SD. SD is now grounded from phone/internet/etc b/f of the IG account. My son's bday is at a friend's house that has a pool. My friend doesn't want SD with her MRSA around her kids including a baby. So he would have to miss my son's bday to stay home with SD.
I do not know why he thinks he needs to tell BM what he is doing/etc. He over communicates which is another problem (on him). I always try to get him not to do that. I need to disengage myself but it is so hard when it affects my family and my plans.
If the CO states that BM is
If the CO states that BM is to have SD when she is sick, then this weekend shouldn’t be any different. If BM tells DH that it’s not contagious (BS, it’s MRSA!) then DH needs to text her some credible information regarding the seriousness of it and how contagious it is. Then tell her “that’s why SD needs to stay with you.”
It’s really up to your DH to not give in to BM. Give ‘em an inch and they’ll take a mile.
Well unfortunately DH went to
Well unfortunately DH went to SD's apt with the dermatologist that BM is taking SD to for the MRSA and the dermatolgist said that since she is on antibiotics she isn't contagious so BM is going off that now. Which I still don't believe to be right or credible. I agree she needs to stick with her withholding not only when it is convenient to her.
I've been trying to get DH to stand up to BM forever. He actually did tell her since she has been keeping her all month b/f of the open woulds she needs to continue to do so. Now BM is of course going off...shocker!
Gee, I'm sure it's just
Gee, I'm sure it's just coincidence that BM doesn't want her the weekend of your son's birthday.
DH should say no - he can't take her this weekend, or at least during the time of the party.
Yep, it was no coincidence.
Yep, it was no coincidence. That is how BM rolls. Oh your son is in the hospital with a staph infection in his blood?!?! Well SD is having daddy issues and needs a daddy daughter date. Oh it is your son's bday but I'm grounding SD now (should have done this months ago...and she's still got open wounds but you have to take her). On our way home from our first family vacation that BM wouldn't let us take SD on she called us and told us the therapist wouldn't let SD come over if my ODS was over (complete lies but enough to stress DH out all the way home). BM needs therapy also!
Your DH has to set limits and
Your DH has to set limits and boundaries on BM. He doesn't need to say "how high" when she says to jump.
He can say, "I'm sorry, I'm unable to take SD this weekend. Per the CO she is your responsibility if she's sick. Please find other care for her." And if he won't do that, he's a big part of the problem, too.
Tog, I absolutely agree with
Tog, I absolutely agree with this. BM knows how to get him riled up and he falls for it everytime. I have told him he over communicates with her and to just discuss drop off/pick up/dr apts. Luckily the therapist told him the same thing about communicating with BM yesterday. He also found out that BM was lying yet again. The therapist wants him to come to every other apt and IS WILLING TO WORK WITH HIS SCHEDULE....despite BM saying she couldn't reschedule any apts to include him. The therapist also said she would meet with both parents....again something BM said the therapist wouldn't do.
I think BM is pissed now b/c she can't keep portraying this as DH being the bad guy when he is involved and the therapist moved apts to accomodate him.
Also he did tell BM she had to keep her since she still has open sores and that was her excuse for keeping her this month and it doesn't just change b/c she has plans.
First of all, you have
First of all, you have children so I would say No to the SD with MRSA coming to your house for the weekend and if she is I would go to a hotel and then have my home sterlized. see below:
What is the contagious period for MRSA?
As long as there are viable MRSA bacteria in or on an individual who is colonized with these bacteria or infected with the organisms, MRSA is contagious. Consequently, a person colonized with MRSA (one who has the organism normally present in or on the body) may be contagious for an indefinite period of time. In addition, MRSA organisms can remain viable on some surfaces for about two to six months if they are not washed or sterilized.
Too bad BM knows so much more
Too bad BM knows so much more about this stuff, lol! I won the battle though. No SD in my home still. I feel bad for DH but since BM continues to neglect the seriousness of MRSA I can't have her around my kids or other children.
I really hope that BM does
I really hope that BM does report those people. My BS pulled a stupid stunt like this once and he gave our address to some lady in Florida. She sent him a card with hearts and stickers. We had to ground BS from all electronics and explain to him about grooming and why these people aren't really your friends and how they are perverts, because no normal grown ass person would want to talk to a damn 13 year old boy about sex!
As for the MRSA I take that stuff as seriously as a damn heart attack. We had a co-worker who had it and joked about it because she had it and had just started on antibiotics. Her cube mate had a newborn went to HR and complained...guess who had to take leave for 6 weeks and show a doctors note before she was cleared to come back...yeah not so damn funny now!
I really do feel bad for you, I understand being in this situation. Where you are watching both parents totally dropping the ball and watching the kid self destruct.
I do believe that BM will
I do believe that BM will report them. You could see in the messages that they were totally grooming SD. Children can be easily influenced.
Ha, that is hilarious to me that the co-worker got exiled but I don't blame your other co-worker. MRSA isn't a joke and putting other's at risk b/c your an idiot is not okay!
I'm hoping that now with DH going to every other therapist apt. The therapist will get a better picture of how BM is operating. I think she already saw that a little bit yesterday when DH told her he has been trying to get BM to accomodate his schedule for him to attend and BM said she couldn't....then the therapist changed them all to accomodate DH's schedule, lol! I think BM is pissed. She wanted only her narrative going to the therapist. I'm guessing that once the therapist starts hearing both sides BM will suddenly start shopping for a new therapist like she did when the last one told her that the problem was in her home and not ours!
What a mess
In my view, responding to the child immediately with the attention she wants is the exact way to encourage her to continue with her behavior. Your DH should absolutely not skip your son's birthday.
He should ground his daughter and put her on notice, but he shouldn't drop everything and give her attention for this behavior. He should also remove her acess to all electronic devices. No more access to social media for her.
It seems like he and BM need to find some sort of professional help for her that would scare her enough that she'd stop putting herself in danger. The right program could also provide parenting "advice" for your DH and BM to ensure that the child is not doing these things to get their attention. Maybe help them figure out ways to give her positive attention at the right times, so she doesn't feel so desperate to get negative attention from them or the wrong kind of attention from predators.
I agree strugglingSM. That
I agree strugglingSM. That is exactly what I told DH. By doing this it is feeding into SD's attention seeking and rewarding her with what she wants. DH will not be skipping my son's bday for this latest crisis.
When her MRSA is better and she is at our home she will be on lock down. BM said she took her phone for the rest of the summer. BM doesn't always follow through with her punishments though and we can't control her home.
They are going to a therapist. I didn't agree with everything the therapist suggested yesterday but I think now that the therapist is getting DH's input as well and not just BM's things will hopefully start changing....or BM will switch therapist again when she can't portray DH as the entire problem. I know DH is at fault too but BM has the child way more than we do.
Just say NO
NO SD until she is better. You don’t want your kids to get this. You know SD will be spread it around your house
Stand your ground, make BM keep her
That is what we did. Of
That is what we did. Of course BM told DH he is an idiot and a horrible father - nothing new there. Oh well. I know damn well if my son had MRSA and open wounds BM would not let SD come to my house.
Holy crap your sd is a
Holy crap your sd is a freaking mess.
I dont know how you do it. Godspeed.
Yep, it is always a hot mess.
Yep, it is always a hot mess. Honestly it is exhausting. I want her to get help but I also want to disengage completely. It is hard to disengage when I feel like DH should be doing things like going to the therapist etc. Luckily he did listen to me these past few days and the therapist also told him to ignore BM as much as possible and limit contact with her.
Same thing happened here with sores
YSS came with open, oozing boils that BM had told him to "just let air" at our house. No. I told DH that he would need to go to the ER. I got poo-pooed. I said he needed an appointment. DH at least contacted BM and got her to agree to an appointment. (Whole side story on why, though DH has total legal ability and authority to do it himself, he always calls BM to get her permission and have her do it.)
Anyway, they took him in, the doctor sent him to the ER (duh), he ended up getting tested for MRSA and didn't have it, thank god, but he was on a boatload of antibiotics.
Fast forward to six weeks later and the kid shows up with new ones! I told DH that the deal was they do not show up here ill, they stay at the house where they were sick AND the kid is going to get us sick. I also told him that if he didn't drive YSS back immediately, I would and if he didn't want me to have words with BM and do that he'd better hop his butt into his car and drive the kid back. He did so. It's one of the only times he's been more scared of me than BM. (The poor kid got boils a couple more times, never at our house, and ended up having to go to the ER each time. The only thing we can figure on why he kept getting them is a clue the other two kids gave us when they said off-hand that they were surprised since YSS picks at scabs and acne all the time.)
Ugh, love how BM's want to
Ugh, love how BM's want to infect the world and have no concern for anyone but themselves and their snowflakes. I did the same thing when BM sent her over when this first started. I was the devil blah blah blah. DH also has medical rights and could take her but BM claims she is the only one with rights to do so...I guess she thinks we can't read the CO!?!? Ugh!
SD's wont' go away b/c she keeps faking taking her meds. I am standing my ground and not letting her infect my children. Especially when she can't keep her hands off my younger son. Typhoid Annie can stay with BM.
Seriously...phone lock down
OMG, I so feel for you! The MRSA thing is bad enough to navigate, but the social media behavior...dangerous. I've had 2 SDs go through this twisted crap and I do not understand why BioParents (the ones in my SKIDS life included!) don't immediately lock down their access to the internet. I 100% agree with other posters...ZERO unsupervised internet access and a locked down basic phone that is only able to call BM, BD, and 911. Roll like that until she's 18 and/or old enough to pay for her own phone if that's what it takes.
When MSD was 16 and attempted suicide seemingly out of nowhere, I scoured the internet/social media to see what I could find out about what was up with her. OMG, found very disturbing sexualized and masochistic posts of hers going back to at least 14. Found her self-made porn on Tumbler, Instagram, and then re-posted on Pedophile rings and porn sites. There are groups out there that look for these kids posting online and then re-post on forums encouraging their creeper friends to follow these children on their social media platforms. Jump forward through years of chaos...she is drug-addicted, lives with her heroine addict BF who peddles her porn for sale online for all the world to see. Gross.
Now YSD16 living at home now...started acting out, lying, stealing, attitude, etc and MR. ED read her journal. Discovered she had strangers from the internet over to our house while we were gone starting at least by 14yo, had sex on first meet, and wrote something like, "That was my first time...you could have been a psycho and murdered me, but I'm so glad you weren't because I'm in love with you...yada, yada." Fast forward...she's completely out of control and self-destructive...drugs, alcohol, sex with random older men, and on and on.
In my eyes...these are CHILDREN who are traumatized, victimized, and need serious supervision and professional help. When they don't get that from BioParents and inevitably turn into self-destructive jerky balls of toxicity, we are left dealing with the chaos and often blamed for their unhappiness in life. Insanity! This behavior puts your whole family, home, and everything you've worked for in danger. This is a big reason why I ended up back in therapy and have cameras everywhere. Personally, you feel violated and paranoid once you know strangers have been inside your home. My anxiety went through the roof! Don't want to scare you...but I kind of do. She's young enough to put a stop to it, but these people know what they are doing with these kids. They lure them in with attention and "understanding" and it's like a drug that these troubled kids will continue to crave and access until someone steps in to stop it or something really bad happens.
Sorry so long of a post, but this one hits hard personally. Again...I soooo feel for you. This is a tough situation for SPs to sit by and watch play out, especially when you have BS at home to keep safe. {{Big Hug}}
Thank you for your response.
Thank you for your response. It helps to know I'm not alone in this struggle. I am certain it will only get worse. BM disciplines briefly but then caves or goes back to treating her like she is more special than everyone else and deserves to be treated differently. I think she doesn't want to come to our house b/c we discipline her and don't treat her like she is more special than the other 2 children in our home. I've seen kids like this and known girls like this and I see it continue to spiral out of control and get worse. I do hope that BM sticks with her no phone, no internet grounding. I know that we will at our home and we will not leave her home alone at our place. Especially after all of this stuff.
I am glad that DH was able to get into the therapist yesterday and have the apts changed by the therapist so he can continue to go. BM has always tried to cut him out and portray him as the problem and our house as the problem. The last therapist that told BM the main problem was her home was cut lose. I think BM needs therapy too but obviously I can't control that.
My main priority is my family at this point. I can't do anything for SD as I have no rights to that. I have encouraged DH to be more proactive.
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BM is the one that needs to
BM is the one that needs to butt out and stop trying to control our homes. I don't recall saying H's family were interfering. I agree though. We have a high conflict GUBM. There is no reasoning or coparenting with her. She is also a narcisist and we are "idiots", lol!
No obligation
I will just say this: there is no legal obligation for a non custodial parent to exercise visitation. Your DH has the perfect reason not to have SD over.
If I were him I would not have her over until the Mrsa is gone. Also, who would want such a sexualised child around their own children. Nope, I wouldn't allow it. He can see her away from the home.
Thank you Stapteverr....you
Thank you Stapteverr....you are right. Unfortunately DH has been bullied and manipulated by BM and SD for so long they have him believing this is all his fault for being a "bad dad".
I also have a right to protect my children. I understand him wanting to see his daughter but as long as she is faking taking her meds and staying sick intentionally she will not be exercising visits in my home. My DH knows this. I don't care what BM says or how she makes us out as the problem. I'm not exposing my children to this.
That is another good point. She could put my kids at risk with the risky sex behavior. I have already made it clear to my ODS that is also 12 that him and his friends are never to be alone with her. She has already tried to get my son in trouble in other scenarios and I'm not risking her word against his anymore. My son also can't stand being around her b/c of her attention seeking and loud obnoxious behavior.