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Pantera's picture

SS10...I don't know where to begin. He just doesn't behave. Not like normal misbehavior, he's defiant and downright mean. Its scary. But to your face he acts all rainbow and butterflies. So last week I had had it. It would make sense to me if he just told DH or I that he didn't like us and would rather go live with his BM and thats why he acts the way he does. I would understand better that thats why he's acting out. So I flat out asked (in a nice tone, not threatening or yelling liek he was in trouble) "would you rather go live with your Mom?" and he got all big eyed like he was in trouble. And he said no, so I asked why he wouldn't go live there and he said "because she doesn't have a place to live" (thats a whole other ballgame), and I asked "if she did have some where to live, would you rather live with her? its ok if you do, it won't hurt anyone's feelings, we just need to know. i've been through this before, you can tell me.". He thought for a second and said no. I again asked why and he said "because you guys take better care of me". This child will admit that he behaves for his BM and does what she asks of him. Why can't he do it at home? He has said in the past that he didn't like me because I do the things he wishes his BM would do. So its almost like this child hates us because we take care of him. Its ridiculous!!! I say "we" because SS clearly has no respect for DH, but DH doesn't think that. The reason I got mad in the first place was because SS10 marches in the living room on Sunday to tell me about a dream he had. This was the dream...SS's Best Friend's parents got put into a nursing home and SS asked if his best friend could live with us and we said no. SS then says "I stood up to you guys when you said no and it felt really good", then smurked and walked away. He would not say how he stood up to us. WTF? This child acts like we are abusing him and he lives in a prison. I just don't get it. Id hate to say it, but he scares me.

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sweetthing's picture

Pantera, has he been to counceling before. 10 was not a tough age for SS12 but SS who just turned 10, is way more emotional & distant making 10 a special experiance..

Pantera's picture

He was in counseling and she wasn't helping us. So we took him out and DH promised to get an evaluation and another counseler but he hasn't. SS10 is not just more emotional and distant, homeboy has some major issues, and it hasn't just been lately, he's had something different in him since I've known him (and he had just turned 6 when I met him). BM herself has said things along the line of serial killer (I know thats horrible but if she is saying it, why can't I be scared)? I just don't know what SS's deal is.

Pantera's picture

I guess Im just freaked out. He has this "dream", last week DH finds a comic that SS made of someone shooting a person through a pillow killing them and it saying "I win", a few months ago we found a book that SS wrote about how no one can control him.

I just want everything to be normal.

Pantera's picture

He told SS he didn't like that and that was not to be drawn again. I don't think that was good enough but what do you say to that kind of thing??? Thats why I want him in counseling again soooo bad.

JustAnotherSM's picture

My SS acted like this at home with BM and SF, but DH and I never had behavior problems when SS was with us for visitation. When BM had enough and gave SS the option to come live with us, SS refused. The problem at SS's home was that BM was (and still is) a guilty disney parent while SF (now exSF) was trying to establish boundaries and discipline. Does this sound similar to your story?

"He has said in the past that he didn't like me because I do the things he wishes his BM would do. So its almost like this child hates us because we take care of him." --> I don't think SS hates you for this - it's really just misdirected anger. He's really mad at his mom for not being more like you, so that's why he tries to be a good boy when he's with BM. So that maybe, just maybe, she'll come around and be the type of mom that you have demonstrated for him.

I think your SS could benefit from some counselling and trying to sort through his feelings with an objective person. Sometimes it's painful for a child to share those thoughts with their own parents/stepparents.

Pantera's picture

You really made a good point about your BM and SF and that is similar to our story. DH just started being a real parent around October of 2009 (after I left him, and obviously I went back). And I do see a lack of respect for DH from SS10 and thats probably the reason.

I also realize that there probably is misdirected anger but I am getting the brunt of the anger on EVERYTHING. I have been wishing for years that BM would come around. I think it would make everyone's life easier!!!

SS has been in counseling. We took him out because the therapist wasn't getting anywhere and couldn't tell us how to fix things. I think SS knew how to manipulate her and to be honest, I don't think she could tell when he was lying. It just became a mess. DH was supposed to find another therapist but hasn't and gets mad when I bring it up.

JustAnotherSM's picture

I should have noted that my SS (at age 14) was diagnosed with ODD and was put on anti-depressant and psychotropic drugs after seeing a therapist and undergoing several mental health tests. He also had a good relationship with our dog, but threatened to hurt his baby brother and also threatened suicide. SS also lived his life like he was in a video game or movie - it was his way of escaping reality.

Pantera's picture

SS10 was diagnosed with ADHD and the therapist said she thinks he has ODD (yes she thinks, not definite, which is why I want an evaluation), she also said she can seeing him having a personality disorder but they can't be diagnosed until age 18. DH won't wake up. I refuse to have a baby because I am scared to. I don't even want to get into all of that.

sweetthing's picture

OMG I am scared for you. He is the one who constantly scrapes the paint off the bathroom tiles right? Your husband has to get him into someone new. I would save that comic for the new therapist. How is he with animals?

Pantera's picture

Yes, he is the paint scraper!!! We did save that comic and the control book. We have a dog and SS is fine with him (we watch), says the dog is his little brother, and the dog loves him.

sweetthing's picture

well that is good about the dog ( sorry but they always say serial killers start with animals) He is obviously a very angry & screwed up little boy, my hats off to you for all that you do & put up with. I would be pressuring DH daily about ther therapist, for the good of the child.

Pantera's picture

Yeah, we know about the animal thing. DH gets mad when I bring up the therapist issue.

sweetthing's picture

even if you emphisize that it is only because you want him to be happy & be the best kid he can be?

Pantera's picture

UM YEAH, lol. I don't go at him like "something is wrong" or "psycho", lol. I really do want SS10 to be a happy healthy member of society. I want the best for him. DH still gets defensive and mad.

JustAnotherSM's picture

Sometimes it's hard for a parent to admit that something might be wrong with their kid. Our BM refused to acknowledge that SS had anything more than just poor listening skills. She didn't want SS branded as mentally ill and she absolutely didn't want him on drugs. But the medication did help SS get better and he was off the meds within a year. The teen years were extremely difficult for SS. But now he is almost 18 and I (finally!) see him starting to become a man.

Maybe your DH is too close to SS to make this decision (similar to how my BM wouldn't get help for SS). Is there any way that BM would get involved with getting an evaluation done for SS? Even if she is NCP, she should have the right to seek medical care for her son. Just an idea - I don't know what your relationship with BM is like. Smile

Pantera's picture

You are absolutely right. I can see things because SS isn't mine. DH has ADHD himself and it took me 3 years to get him to put SS on medicine even though DH knew that was the best option (after we tried EVERYTHING of course). DH has actually said something along the lines that he wants to believe his child isn't a total whack job. Ok, fine and dandy, but thats not helping anyone. I think DH knows something is wrong, he's just in denial. And as for the evaluation...I would love to be overreacting and have an evaluation done and them say..."he just needs some therapy it will be fine", but I just don't think thats the case.

BM...what a joke. She didn't want SS on any meds and is now begging for his ADHD meds when he goes for visits. BM and DH BOTH have some mental issues. BM, some kind of personality disorder and depression, DH bi polar and ADHD. So why would they think this is normal behavior from SS10!!!??? She by no means will have an evaluation. She thinks that SS10 didn't need therapy when we were taking him. We even asked her to come and she wouldn't, so no, BM isn't going to help (although she made comments about SS). I am stuck.

sweetthing's picture

Hey, I know sometimes when I am upset I go at it the "wrong" way, when I turn it around too the benefit of the kids Dh reacts better.

Hey OT but are your tiles in the tub or on the bathroom walls. We had really ugly wall tile & your posts made me look into painting them. However I found a video on HGTV website where they made a wainscotting that can be liquid nailed over existing wall tiles. It is made for bathrooms, we did it & it looks awesome & was not the hardest thing to put up. I think it is even paintable ( I will find out cuz my dad burnt a small spot by the toilet while doing some plumbing.

Pantera's picture

I know all about going at something the wrong way, I am not innocent, lol. Wink

The tiles are on the bathroom walls. I am going to have to look into that!!! Thanks!!!

wanted_five's picture

My oldest soon to be SS behaves somewhat similar, Pantera. His situation is also similar. His Mom is worthless and sees him rarely. I often tell my fiance when he's acting up that he's doing it because my fiance is his safe place. He's the parent who won't run away, who won't leave him no matter what. He's the safe place for SS to point his frustration and anger. My SS doesn't dare do anything angry at his mother. She already abandoned him and takes up a small place in his life. He doesn't dare make her mad. He might never see her again. I try very hard to imagine what life might be like from the point of view of that child who is semi-abandoned by one of his parents. Can you imagine how scary that would be? I just try really hard to keep showing my SS love and reassuring him that we're not going anywhere.

Pantera's picture

Thanks. I too was a product of divorce and do understand, I know how scary it is. I really tried showing my SS love and reassuring him. I treated SS like he was my own. That got us no where. I would be more sympathetic if I wasn't scared of his actions. I don't think SS is acting out because its his safe place, I think he's acting out because he has issues.

Willow2010's picture

I remember when SS was about 10. Him and my son were in my sons room and I heard SS being really mean to him. Really aggressive and rude. When I walked in, SS was half turned away from me, but I would still see his mouth. He had the awful scowl on his face, but when he heard me ask what was wrong, it was a complete transformation! His face went from mean and ugly to happy and bright. I asked what was going on, (I had been listening for about a minute as SS was a rude mean butt to my son) SS smiled and said nothing. I told him some of what I heard and he said…”you must have heard wrong, I would not say stuff like that”

I was floored!! That was the first of a few things that made me realize I would not marry or live with my SO until SS was way older or moved off with his BM.

Fooled me!! SS and BM moved off when he was 16, so I got married to DH, because I thought it was safe. 6 months after we married she sent SS to live with us. Oh joy!

Pantera's picture

OMG!!! I know. SS is a master with tears. He can turn them on and off. He will cry in your face and turn around immediately and smile.

wanted_five's picture

Oh trust me, I know about the issues! LOL, I don't mean to come off all sounding like nothing's wrong. ADHD, which your SS suffers from as does mine and ODD, are big issues. You know what I think truly keeps my frustration level down? I don't try to love him like he's mine. I think in a way, I'm lucky. My fiance and I both have our own biological children and we both acknowledge that it's not 'the same' No way does he love my son like he does his kids and no way do I love his like I love mine. We are open and honest with each other about that (of course we don't rub that fact in to the kids) and that takes so much of the pressure off the situation. He and I both feel that at least with each other, honesty and openness is best and we don't try to pretend maternal or paternal love for each others children. Do I care about his? Of course. Does he care about mine? Yes but it's just not the same and I feel that being honest about that keeps the situation actually more fair and easy for the kids. Do I discipline his and he mine? Yes but the bottom line (Decisions AND responsibility for issues) always rests with the parent of the child.

Pantera's picture

I didn't think you were coming off any way. I appreciate your comment. I think its great that you and your DH feel that way. I have actually stopped trying to love him like he is mine and its lifted a great deal off of my shoulders. I wish DH would realize that. But you are right. Decisions and Responsibility should ultimately lie with the parents. I just wish one of them would step up and admit the child needs help.