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Question to all the teachers out there..Or anyone with insight

Ninji's picture

We have been having trouble with SS and his behavior since Pre K.

All his teachers have dealt with it by bribing him. "SS if you sit quiet for 30 minutes you can a special treat"

Now SS is in the 4th grade and doesn't behave AT ALL unless he gets something out of it and even then may decide the bribe isn't enough.

7 days into the school year, I spoke with SS's new teacher because she was already having big problems with SS.

I told her that he is too used to being reward for less than marginal behavior. She needed to let him know that she wasn't going to play his games. I told her he was a master manipulator.

Since then I have had 4 other meetings with her. At one of these meetings she had the great idea that if SS behaves he can earn computer time. I told her that would be a huge mistake. A Week later she contacted me and told me that SS is asking all day to be on the computer, the other kids are jealous and if SS doesn't get on the computer when he wants, he throws tantrums. I told her to stop the computer rewards. She agreed.

That was a Friday, the following Monday she emailed me that SS was throwing a tantrum about getting on the computer. I told her again to discontinue the computer reward. A week later, I'm in her office again and she talking about SS and computer time. I told her again to stop letting him on the computer. (SO has told her the same in emails)

During the last meeting the behavior specialist was there with me and SO. SO and I both asked the teacher and the behavior specialist to stop rewarding (bribing) him. The behavior specialist then says "SS is highly motivated by food. Maybe that will work" Again, me and SO tell her we don't want him bribed AND he's overweight. He doesn't need any more food. So even signed a letter for the school that he didn't want SS to have chocolate milk or syrup at breakfast and limited junk food in the class (someone is always bringing in cupcakes or cookies for birthdays)

So what does SO get emailed yesterday, teacher had to send SS to the behavior specialist office because he was out of control. When he came back to class he had a candy bar and a huge smirk on his face pretty much laughing at the other kids.

So here's my question, why isn't the school listening? SO was super pissed when he read the email that SS was given a candy bar after being removed from the class for misbehavior. I get that sometimes the teacher is trying anything to get through the day with this out of control kid, but I would think any educated person would agree that bribing the kid has just created a monster.

I don't work in the education department, but I would send any kid that out of control to the principle, not bribe him and try to negotiate with a 9yr old.

Teachers help me see the other side of this.

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Ninji's picture

That's what we have been trying to tell his teacher. We don't want him being rewarded for doing what he's supposed to be doing. Not only is it a bad life lesson, it also makes the other kids resent him. He has zero friends.

Ninji's picture

Yes, he needs a teacher that won't put up with his shit and fall for his manipulative games.

He is already sitting at a desk that's next to the teacher's by himself. Happens every year. He cannot sit next to other students.

It sounds horrible but I think they need to suspend the kid already. Maybe if BM has to deal with his ass everyday during her sleep time she will get even a little involved in the school. But then again, she probably will just sit him in front of the TV while she sleeps.

Tuff Noogies's picture

and that again would be another reward to him.

the teacher needs to make his life miserable. and he needs WAY more time w/ a counselor. otherwise he'll turn into kaos, and later into ASS.

i dont know why the school is completely disregarding what you and dh have pleaded with them to do. really not much of an option except to try to change schools, if that's a possibility. does bm have majority custody? would she even be on board with him switching schools?

he sounds like a manipulative little shit who, as rags would say, needs to have his bottom blistered and his attitude scared into submission.

Ninji's picture

BM is the primary but only goes to the school once a year, during the summer for registration. Me and SO do all the school stuff and try to parent Friday - Sunday.

Another school would only be an option if SO could get custody. No way BM is giving up that check. She said she would "allow" us to take SS but she wasn't going to change the CS.

He does need his ass busted, but not my kid and he's almost as big as I am at 9yr old. He needed that tough love when he was in Pre K getting sent home for bad behavior. I feel he's already lost to the BM dark side.

Ninji's picture

SO has threatened that to both SS and BM...But he can't go without seeing his kids. He can't do it. The very few weekends we don't get them (maybe 3 a year) the entire time he is talking about missing the kids and how he has to go 2 weeks now without seeing them.

Tuff Noogies's picture

oh my gawd u have them EVERY weekend????

i'm kinda in agreement with you that it's really not enough to undo poor behavior, especially with no support from bm or the school. so sad.

Ninji's picture

He didn't want the divorce. BM found her a new man and kicked SO out. Moved the guy in the very next day.

Now he's glad that he isn't with her anymore, but he still missing his kids.

BethAnne's picture

It might be worth taking him for 6 - 12 months and keep paying CS if you can afford it, then go to court to get the custody order modified and CS changed so that you guys are receiving it. Check with a lawyer how long you will need to have him living with you to set the precedent so that altering the custody agreement would be achievable through court.

Ninji's picture

We had SS for almost a month last year and the bar BM works at cut her hrs. She knew it was only a matter of time before SO went to court to change the CS and she demanded SS back, said she would call the cops.

SS was a mess, crying none stop.

Ninji's picture

I don't know if the courts would take change the custody agreement. Will courts take kids away from BM because SS is misbehaving in school and failing. I have no idea.

Stepcreaturesonly's picture

I have many years in special ed and a masters and doctorate. Reward systems DO work...IF (& here's the thing) they are done properly. Clearly, the school are not doing it properly.

The Idea is to keep raising the bar. To remain firm and 100% consistent. And for rewards to be motivating and frequent.

So, at first it might be if you can remain in your chair for the lesson you get X. Every time the kid is doing the right thing (even if just for five mins): "that's great SS. I love how you are sitting and listening." Then when child is doing that for a few weeks, becomes if you can remain in your chair for 2 lessons or remain in your chair and attempt some of the work. Kids love praise and feeling they are doing well.

Rewards shouldn't be huge. And can have a reward system where they cash in (eg, I have ten stickers gets something for. Prize box). I've had many difficult kids and got them able to function in a class. At the start of this year I had a wild boy (running around room, tearing things off walls etc). He now stays in his seat or floor or wherever we are, attempts most work, and is a very devoted kid. Because I'm fair. I'm consistent. And when he does something that is hard for him (so might be marginal but improvement for HIM) he is rewarded for it and feels good.

It is totally counter intuitive. And when I start with a kid I FEEL like I want to tell them off etc. but that doesn't work for kids with additional issues. It just doesn't. Honestly a huge amount of research and practical experience shows reward is far more effective than punishment. But clearly your school isn't doing a great job of it. :/