When a kid turns 18, does their status in the household change?
So I got told this tonight by DH: OSS turns 18 soon and then we don't have any say over what he does.
Um, that's not my viewpoint. If a person is a child, even a step child, of mine, is living under my roof, and I am supporting that persons life, then I still have governance over that person. DS is 18 already, is not adulting yet, and I have a say on what happens in my house and what he does.
Is the "I don't have any say anymore" the new norm now when a kid turns 18 and is still at home (like still in HS)? Perhaps this is why all those adult skids live at home and the dads allow it. Seems like my DH is of the same mind. They turn 18 as adults but you still support them so why not do it again some time in their 20s and 30s and 40s...until you die?
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This logic doesn't work for
This logic doesn't work for me either. I don't care if you are 50, if you live in my home, I have some say. I lived with my parents after 18. I paid rent, had a job, went to community college. Still had to follow their rules. Because it was their house.
Even if skid moves out, into a house or apartment, there are still rules to follow. Some places won't let you paint or put nails in the walls, park on the street, have noise restrictions in place at certain times of the day, etc. If you have roommates, there are "rules". ALL living arrangements have rules.
(And by rules, when we discuss skids, I assume we are actually talking about common decency/ courtesy.)
At 17 he would be a child who
At 17 he would be a child who listens to you and obeys your rules because you are the parent and are legally responsible for him. At 18 his status changes. He is now an adult who listens to you and obeys your rules because you are providing his support and allowing him to live in your home. In my home, if an 18 year old didn't follow the household rules, his status would change and he would no longer be an adult living in my home.
^^^THIS.
^^^THIS.
Once we graduated HS, we were allowed to continue living at home with the following conditions:
You also let the parents know if you would be spending the night elsewhere so that they wouldn't worry and didn't need to leave the porch light on.
My house, my rules.
My house, my rules.
However, I don't need to know where you are every minute any more, but I would still expect basic decency like home for dinner or not, in late or not.
Well, how did he mean that
Well, how did he mean that remark? You don't have say over where he lives, who he marries, whether he can get a license, whether he stays in school, etc, but you do have control over what you offer him - a home, food, clothes, a phone, a car, etc.
HA! They are still KIDS in my
HA! They are still KIDS in my house until they don't live there anymore! Don't like the rules, they are old enough to sign a lease and figure out life on their own. SS19 is special needs, so he doesn't really count but my Bios are perfectly aware how things are going to be once they turn 18 and are still in high school.
I have also raised my kids to know from an early age (their dad has the same philosophy) that after graduation you have 3 choices. Live at home and work AND go to college. Go away to college and work. Or move out and work. SS19 once again is different, he is age adjusted to 12 but he does work. He does have chores. He does have tons of rules (like any other 12 yr old would). He just got grounded from video games. He isn't allowed to drive unless we are with him in the car. Etc. My kids to understand that he isn't typical and will probably never live on his own.
However, it is good for my kids to see that when SS tries to tell me that he is 18 (19 in 2 days) and an adult now, that I will smack him down so fast his head spins. I like to remind him that adults don't have to be reminded to shower daily- BTW, did you shower today??? He will stop off and take a shower after that and usually doesn't try it again for a few months. I can use shower, eating, using a stove, laundry, brushing teeth, driving a car... I have a solid 10 years of his non-adulting skills! Adults don't still live at home with mom and dad (or SM and Dad, Sdad and BM, whatever). Until they have their OWN place, and I am not talking giving $50 in rent a month to us, they will all be treated like children.
Ugh the showering
OSS is not special needs and still has to be told to shower.
My SSstb19 still lies to his
My SSstb19 still lies to his dad about having showered. Dude, you smell like hot garbage and onions, and your hair has a thick layer of grease in it. You haven't showered in at least a week. WTF.
What was the meaning behind
What was the meaning behind that statement?
That at 18 your SS can do as he pleases within your home? Or that SS no longer has to follow a custody order and can come and go?
First, your home your rules. Age doesn't change that. The only thing that does change is that if SS doesn't follow the rules he is an adult therefore will be asked to leave.
If it's the latter regarding custody order and coming and going well that would be a hard NO for me. My home and I expect common courtesy. Which means I know when to expect a visitor, for lack of a better word.. No drop ins whenever you feel like it. No revolving, 24/7 door.
My response to that:
My response to that:
You're right - I have no say over you anymore... I also no longer have the responsibility to feed you, clothe you and have you live here - so of course you can do what you like, since it won't be in this home. I don't foot the bill for freeloading adults. Buh-bye!
The meaning was
The meaning was that we don’t have a say in what he does at all. I get the whole “visitation” thing going away. It’s been pretty lax for all the kids for the last two years. It was in relation to both letting us know where he’s gonna be and about an extracurricular he has not been doing, that there was a big beat-down about at the beginning of the school year regarding how frequently he has to go, and that we (both us and BM) are paying for it. Trust me, I proposed just canceling it since he wasn’t going but no, no, no he’s gonna go.
I asked where OSS was and was told he was at the activity. BM told DH he was going. (They were just confirming schedules with each other.) Fine. Then he comes waltzing in obviously during the time he should have been there.
I said I was surprised to see him, I thought he’d be at the activity. That’s when DH said what he did.
(The skids know from experience that they won’t get in trouble so this isn’t an effort to handle their own affairs, DHs statement was just a new reason not to address it.)
18 YO letting dad know his schedule
I think within reason the kid should have more control over his schedule at 18. I wouldn't want anyone coming in late and waking me up. You may want to have at least seperate funds (say each of you contribute to the joint pot for household expenses, then have some seperate money). You can get manicures, he can help his son.
I agree
It’s not that I care whose house he is staying at, but I would like to know who will be around. It’s good manners in any household. Where it goes sideways is this ongoing circus with this activity. Well, maybe more rollercoaster.
There are declarations of renewed parenting effort. There are declarations of new dedication to go by OSS. There is even a request for me to help them keep on track. This last time I agreed. And now if I mention anything there’s an excuse. Screw it.
My status did change when I
My status did change when I turned 18...I no longer had a status in the household. My dad told me to GTFO and get my own place. Granted, I had 2 years notice, since at 16 he started telling me the second I was 18 I was out the door. There was no "living at home getting everything paid for". Whether he was bluffing or not, I was out the door and had my own place the summer I graduated high school.
Does anyone remember hope chests? I had a hope chest for years prior to turning 18 that I put items in, and gifts at holidays were things for my hope chest- dishes, towels, etc. This was all in preparation for me to launch when I graduated. Those were the days when kids launched at 18.
YES! I have boxes like that
YES! I have boxes like that for each of my kids - I do not have one made for ss.
You are younger than me, and
You are younger than me, and I didn't "launch" at 18. I went to college at 17, but I still lived at home on breaks or during the summer (working) and for a year afterward. I sure wasn't self-supporting. No one I knew was, either. I think your father was unusually harsh.
I think kids over 18, who have graduated and are working should have some loosening of rules. But not "do whatever they want".
I agree with not do what they want
But when OP gave examples, to me it seemed like she wants to know where the kid will be every minute etc. I think there has to be a gradual loosening of the reins. Like you can do what you want till 9PM, after that, you need to let dad know where you are.
Not at all
They mostly control their schedules. I ask for the heads-up as to when they will be around. I don't care if they are at dinner but DH is is bothered by people not being there for dinner.
There is the additional caveat of that activity of OSSs that he is supposed to be at but showed up at our house earlier than expected. I'm not upset he showed up, I'm tired of him not doing it but saying he will and DH saying he will enforce attendance but doing nothing to make sure it happens or enforce a consequence for OSS not doing it. And it's not a new activity.
In fact, DH got pissy at me during winter break when I was surprised the skids were leaving to go back to BMs during some conversation about what to do for dinner or something. I thought they were with us a few more days. I wasn't happy about them leaving, just innocently surprised. He got all snappy at me about him and BM working it out and it was up to him. For heaven's sake, he's got a wife who was including the his kids and assuming they'd be around, why snap?
I have one for DS
I didn't start it until recently. Maybe it's a hope chest for me (hoping he launches on time). LOL
It's getting filled with stuff for college as I find good bargains. Sheets, microwavable dishes, storage stuff, etc.
So DS is 18
and I told DH that if we are going to use his logic that OSS is almost 18 so time to start backing off, then that means there are no rules now for DS who has been 18 for most of the school year. Not surprisingly he didn't like that statement. I know what he said was just an excuse not to say anything to OSS. He does not want to parent.
I also get "but he's got a job and DS doesn't" to which I reply that we have had this conversation before: DS is in sports and theater and there is no time for a job during the school year, while I actually overheard OSS say he wanted to get a job so he didn't have to do sports. Plus OSS' part-time job does not take up as much time as the sports/theater do; OSS spends 8-12 hours on the weekend gaming with his buddies. He could take some of that time to do the activity he promised to do.