Gave SS15 a Dose of Reality. Doubt It Did Any Good.
The past few months, SS15 has been distant toward all of us, especially the first few days after he comes back from BM's and the last few days before he goes back. This week, he decided to ignore me completely and pretend I don't exist. He didn't speak a single word to me from Friday night through Sunday night. He didn't make eye contact once. If I was in the same room and he needed something, instead of asking me he'd go to another part of the house or outside to ask DH.
DH called him out on it Sunday night. He told him it was absolutely unacceptable, and if he doesn't want to act like part of the family, if he'd rather be treated like a house guest, that's fine. We can do that.
DH: How do you think you've made us feel, especially Ghost?
SS: Uuuuuhhhhhh....bad?
DH: Where is this coming from all of a sudden?
SS: Uuuuuhhhhhhh..............
DH: I don't care what your mom has been saying about either of us, and I know she's been saying things that aren't very nice. If you want to believe those things despite what you know about us, we can't do anything about that. But you WILL treat people with respect in this house. You will acknowledge every member of this family. How do you think you'd feel if you were treated like you were invisible.
SS: *shrugs* I don't know. I probably wouldn't care.
DH: OK. Fine. For the next 48 hours, you won't be acknowledged. Goodbye!
So, for the last two days, from Sunday night to Tuesday night, SS15 wasn't acknowledged. He actually started saying hello and goodbye. We ignored him. He asked DH a couple of questions. Ignored. We went out for ice cream. He stayed home. He started hovering around us as time went on, and we could tell it was getting to him, but we pretended he wasn't there. Do you know how hard that was? It isn't in my nature (like apparently it is in his) to completely ignore someone's presence. It was tough! But it was a lesson he desperately needed. Finally, Tuesday night, shortly before we were going to end our little social experiment, SS came up to both of us and apologized for how he had treated us. He said the words with no emotional expression whatsoever, but it was obvious he was bothered by it. We asked him how it had felt to be treated like a non-entity, and he admitted he hadn't liked it at all. DH then said to him something like this:
"The next time you feel the need to ignore either of us, BS18 or anyone who visits this home, remember how you felt the last couple of days. Really think about it. And if you decide you'd rather have a superficial relationship with us, that's fine. We don't prefer that, but the choice is yours to make. Just realize that if you do choose to keep things superficial, you won't have the benefits of a positive relationship. We won't be taking you out to eat or do anything fun. We'll plan family vacations for when you're at your mom's. You won't be celebrating holidays with us. Relationships go both ways. It takes two people to put in the effort. If you choose not to put in any effort, it's your loss. We won't be chasing you."
Obviously, if SS were younger this experiment wouldn't have been possible. But at almost 16, SS is well aware of his actions (or inactions) and how they impact others. DH and I are seeing that the kid is way more savvy than he lets on. He's learned his dishonesty and poor attitude from a pro.
Will this have any long-term effect? We talked about it, and we don't think so. We think SS will be right back to his normal ways the very next time he comes back to us from BM's. He never changes for more than a few days, and he's way too wrapped up in BM's PAS to change. But we tried. I told DH that I'm done pursuing a relationship if SS isn't interested. If he comes to me, fine. If he initiates interaction with me, fine. But I won't be initiating anymore. I'm tired of being hurt over and over by a kid who just doesn't give a crap. I'm also not going above and beyond anymore. If this kid needs anything, he can go to one of his birth parents.
I have plenty of people in my life who DO want a relationship with me. If SS isn't interested, that's fine. I'd like a good relationship with him, but I don't need one.
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This is how my SS's would
This is how my SS's would always react (or not react) to me -- I didn't exist, only my wallet did. I too got really tired of trying only to be ignored. And no matter what DH said to them, it was to no avail.
So I did exactly what you did... they stopped existing to me. They always loved the fact that I would buy some of their favorite sodas, snacks, etc (but then they'd pack them all up and take them back to BM's). Suddenly, the cupboard was bare of their favorites. I didn't try to initiate conversation or make eye contact. And obviously, the wallet dried up, one particular at a crucial moment when one's car broke down and required extensive repair... DH had to admit to them that *he* could not pay for it on his own all at once so parts would get ordered as *he* could afford them. However, *we* could afford them but because I don't exist to them, neither does my money. I couldn't believe DH told them that, and the looks on their faces were PRICELESS. I honestly believe they had never given a second thought to exactly how much I contribute to this household (about 70%, if they only knew).
They stewed on those things for a while and I will admit they have both come around and we actually have decent relationships now. And as they get older, I truly believe their change-up is for real.
I'm glad things changed for
I'm glad things changed for the better for you! I'm still waiting for SS to grow up and realize a few truths, but I'm not holding my breath! he's the kind of person who will have to get knocked down hard by the big bad world multiple times before he gets a clue.
I think there are two things
I think there are two things holding him back:
1. He'd have to go to school in her district, and doesn't want to switch schools.
2. He'd be Faux's personal valet and caregiver all the time instead of half the time.
I still think BM is going to go for full custody soon. Now that Faux is going to school in her district, she's going to get tired very quickly of bringing SS15 back and forth, especially since he's in HS now and classes start at 7:40 am. She'll have to be up and out super early, and I don't think she can keep it up for long.
She'll convince SS15 that he really does want to switch schools, and he'll go along with it because he's her puppet. If she files for full custody, we're not going through the time and expense to fight it. If he can't grow a pair and stand up for himself, he can go.
We can only hope so. He seems
We can only hope so. He seems to be falling farther into the PAS trap the older he gets instead of getting wise to it.
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
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Thank you! Tough love, baby.
Thank you! Tough love, baby. Sometimes it's what's needed.
Your DH is my hero! This
Your DH is my hero! This lesson concocted by your DH is so many shades of awesome!
I have to say I've been
I have to say I've been nothing short of impressed by how he's handled the BM/skid dynamics. Such a far cry from so many DH's we read about on here! I don't take him for granted for a second, believe me! He IS many shades of awesome!
Good for your DH!
Good for your DH! Essentially you took SS "power" away by turning the tables on him. Funny how quickly he snapped out of it.
Although, I am perfectly happy to have SD16 ignore me, in fact, please do... but that is a whole other story
LOL, I do have to
LOL, I do have to confess...it WAS kind of nice! }:)