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When you need Step He!! advice....

Aniki-Moderator's picture

...whose opinions do you most value?

Those who have spent time in the trenches of Step He!!?
Those who have never been a stepparent, significant other of a CP/NCP parent, or stepchild?

In my personal experience, people who have never been/are not involved in a step situation have absolutely NO clue.

They do not know what it's like to be undermined.
They do not know what it's like to be expected to have all of the responsibilities of a parent, but NONE of the authority.
They do not know what it's like to see a CP pull all sorts of strings to make things difficult for the NCP simply because they suck.
They cannot begin to fathom the PAS that CPs practice to make life hell for the NCP.
They are totally unaware of the brainwashing CPs do to turn the children against the NCP and, most especially, the NCP's new SO/Spouse.

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ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

Those who have spent time in the trenches of Step He!!... From anyone else I just get s*** about "Well that's just how it is." Or "Well she did come first." Or "Well since she's the mom she can treat the girls how she wants." Or "Don't say anything to DH, or you'll be 'that' stepmom/second-wife."

Only one out of those who haven't been in the trenches of Step He!! that I trust with advice is my dad... He very much so agrees that I should be the top priority in DH's life and that we need to function as a partnership and he should NEVER listen to BM's sob stories for any reason or let her push us around. That being said, I still run here first. LMAO

WalkOnBy's picture

"She did come first" is the one that would drive me the most batty. Thankfully, no one has ever been stupid enough to say that to me Smile

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

Drove me insane... From my own mother... Let's just say we butt-heads. A f***ing s*** ton. LOL

I think my least favorite is the "that stepmom/second wife." Like what even is that supposed to mean? lmao

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

We talk MAYBE once a month, she instigates, I RARELY call... From a distance we can be cordial with limited communication... Nearby I'm ready to scream in about an hour. Lol.

Needless to say, she doesn't get any actual information about my hectic step-family life. Just the bare-minimum of me not being dead.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Oh, sure, he/she/it came first. But who will (hopefully) be there loooooong after the skids are gone?? The stepparent/SO, who is still with the bio-parent and who will be caring for the bio-parent down the line.

SD21 has made it clear that she will "pull the plug" on my DH. I swear to the entire Universe that I will camp out in his hospital room and beat the snot out of her if she so much as leans towards that plug.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

ProbablyAlready, I understand everything you said. I have ONE friend who has some good advice. She has 4 children - 2 are adults, 2 are teenagers. She is an excellent listener, is NOT judgemental, and has had trouble with 2 of her kids (so she can relate to some of the difficulties I've had).

IMHO, one of the biggest problems with the current and future generations is that parents are not parenting. They are too busy being their kid's BFF. :sick:

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

Well I mean if DH hadn't gotten BM preggo in HS while I was still in junior high... Then maybe I would have had a chance to beat the b****. Lol. Not about who comes first, it's about who comes last when it comes to the totem pole of priority. Plus just because I came later doesn't make me some second-rate human being and wife.

Also I AGREE. I don't get why it's so impossible for a parent to discipline their kid and make sure they grow into a productive member of society!!! Or how hard it is to make sure homework gets done and they get an education so they actually go somewhere! You can have a good relationship with your kids and still actually f***ing parent (imho, but you know, "just a stepmom" so I'm probably clueless, lol)

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Right?!? My parents have/had great relationships with all five of their children. And we have deep RESPECT for them! So many kids these days have ZERO respect for any adult...

My friend with 4 kids... she parents and disciplines! And she has an excellent relationship with all 4.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

That's because if you earn the kid's respect, through actual parenting, you're going to have a WAY better relationship with the kid anyways! If you don't have the kid's respect they're going to spend the rest of their life walking all over you with an entitled a$$ attitude!

Aniki-Moderator's picture

PA, that entitled a$$ attitude is, sadly, very common today.

tankh21's picture

I agree with this Aniki. I hate the phrase "well times have changed" I didn't know that structure and learning how to be successful and respect has changed or evolved because times are changing....

sunshinex's picture

I find anyone who hasn't experienced life as a stepfamily cannot fathom it at all. My stepdaughter is 5 and lives with us full-time, so I'm always getting "she's just a little girl" and the likes, which of course is true and I understand that. I fully, completely get that she's just a kid and she didn't choose this. But it doesn't mean I can't get frustrated about it. It's biological. It's NOT natural to raise someone else's kid and do everything for them without that unconditional love.

When you give birth/have a child, something happens that makes everything you do rewarding. I know this for a fact now. I have no problem getting up every 2 hours with my newborn, but if SD wakes up and makes noise at 3 am, it drives me nuts. It's because I'm not wired to respond to her. Just like I have no problem cuddling and kissing on my newborn, but when SD asks for a hug, sometimes my skin crawls. Again, not wired for affection with someone else's child.

It's just different. And anyone who hasn't been involved in steplife can't seem to get it. It sucks because of course I'm always going to treat SD well and fair, but being expected to be motherly to someone who has a mother is hard and I can't vent to anyone in real life about it.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Sunshinex, your first sentence says it all.

And because it's a "little girl" or "little boy" doesn't mean that child is all sweetness and light. I grew up with a kid that people swore up and down was pure evil. From the time he was 4yo, he was bad. He spent his entire childhood/teenage years bullying kids, beating them up, stealing... As he got older/bigger, he progressed to adults and has been in and out of jail so many times, I lost count.

Regardless, just because it's a child doesn't mean I have to feel love and affection for the child. Sheesh, there are even parents who feel nothing for their bios. :O

Cooooookies's picture

"When you give birth/have a child, something happens that makes everything you do rewarding. I know this for a fact now. I have no problem getting up every 2 hours with my newborn, but if SD wakes up and makes noise at 3 am, it drives me nuts. It's because I'm not wired to respond to her. Just like I have no problem cuddling and kissing on my newborn, but when SD asks for a hug, sometimes my skin crawls. Again, not wired for affection with someone else's child."

ALLLLLLLL. OF. THIS! OMG you just wrote what's in my head. But how could we ever possibly begin to explain to our DH's that your child hugging me makes my skin crawl. How do we say the mere voice of their child is annoying and that it makes it even harder because their psycho BM is always lurking just outside the perimeter of our marriage. If they didn't have that dang kid with her, none of this would happen.

It would break my DH's heart because, as all parents do, the sun rises and sets on SS15's bum. DH is wired for his son, of course. I just wish he'd, at the very LEAST, share EOWE with BM2 but she's in another country doing whatever the he11 she wants. Meanwhile, I'm semi raising this annoying teenager that's not mine, all the while being hated and loathed by BM2 while she tries to get my DH back.

Men just have NO IDEA!

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Mmmmmmm... I don't necessarily agree with this statement. Lots of folks adopt. One of my brothers and one of my sisters each have 2 adopted children (and bios). You would never know they were adopted. The parents have deep love for all of their children: bio AND adopted. It's a beautiful thing. <3

Cooooookies's picture

Yes, I thought of adoption but I think that's way different. A mutual choice is made by a couple to adopt. There is work as a partnership and team to make the decision of which baby/child to adopt. From start to finish, the whole process is completed with two willing, in love adults who have the same end game in mind.

We are thrust into step parenting. We do not get to choose the child. We do not get to choose what they had been raised like. We do not get to choose the crazy ex that is the other parent. Most of the time, there is no partnership on how the skid is raised.

In one situation, a couple jump in willingly and completely together. In the case with steps, it's just "hey! here's the kid you have to put up with and usually have no say and no authority and ohhhhh look their other parent is batcrap crazy but you married the dad so you should love love love everythingggggg about all of this!"

Um. No.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Cooooookies, I agree with all you wrote. Also, adoptions don't typically have whackadoodle bioparents pulling a bunch of shenanigans.

Cooooookies's picture

Exactly. Adoption is sans shenanigans, guilty Disney parenting and an ex who hates you simply for existing.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

An ex who hates you TONS because you are actually a super-stepmom who is better, faster, and stronger. And when you're 12 years older than the ex, but look 12 years younger.... OH MY, how the hatred flows!!

Cooooookies's picture

Oh yes! I am 10 years younger than BM2 but look about 20 years younger. I just naturally have always looked younger for my age. I also haven't baked my skin in the sun and don't have a cold, black heart Blum 3

sunshinex's picture

Men really have no idea. My SD tried to hug me the other day while I was nursing my baby and it took everything in me not to push her away. It felt so weird. I just gently backed away and said no please i'm not fully clothed and ready right now... I could see my husband thought it was a little mean but oh my god it was the absolute most uncomfortable feeling in the world. Like do not touch me while I have my shirt up and everything lol.

I too wish BM was involved. She lives a few hours away and I HATE that she doesn't do ANY parenting. I can't help but feel like if she did her part, I wouldn't have to be motherly to SD because the world wouldn't feel bad for this poor kid who has no mom. It's hard.

Myss.Tique D&#039;Off's picture

I guess humans are the only ones who are expected to play nice with the off-spring of others. I sometimes long for Animal Planet or Nature Channel: you can shove other chicks out of the nest or eat the young...

My personal experience: people who have not experienced step life don't have a f^%#ing clue!!

ndc's picture

Surely this isn't a serious question, because the answer is too obvious! People who haven't been through it can't understand it.

I don't have a clue because I haven't experienced the problems yet. My friends who are SMs often suggest I run for the hills before it's too late. But I guess you have to learn some lessons on your own.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

It certainly IS a serious question. There are those who have ZERO experience with Step He!!, but believe they should preach to us heathen-ly stepparents about all of the things WE do wrong because, after all, First Family Comes First and Stepparents Can Suck It.
~YUGE eye roll~

Frankly, I have no respect and no use for those who pull advice out of their arses with nothing to back up all of that hot air.

ndc's picture

I can't disagree with that. I always roll my eyes at the responses of a certain poster who obviously does not have stepchildren but has all the answers.

classyNJ's picture

The seasoned stepparent of course! I do not know any other step parents.

Like we have all said - non step parents DO NOT get it! Bio parents DO NOT get it!

Cover1W's picture

I do not talk with my friends who have never experienced it.
They would give me puzzled looks and ask, "Well, why don't you just do it?" (referring to me disciplining, setting rules, boundaries, etc.) They just didn't get it.

I did talk with a co-worker who I found out had two SSs, just out of the house. Lots of similar experiences. She could TALK and give good advice and support me. Unfortunately, she just left our workplace. Sad

Another co-worker has custody of her SD14 - her ex is a certified crazy man so she got custody so she has it worse than I do. She has to deal with SD and her ex and her ex and BS.

And another co-worker has a son, and is with a great guy. BUT he's a step-DAD. And gets lots of leeway from her and is allowed to parent. She just posted a holiday picture of her, son and her partner and I'm like, that's NOT reality for most of us. She sort of gets it, sort of not.

My sister didn't quite get it until her friend, a single mother with a son, explained it and now she's 100% on board. My parents, don't ask, don't tell is my policy. They still don't understand a basic custody agreement.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Cover, my sister is my best-est-est friend and I've always been able to talk to her about EVERYTHING. Until step he!!. She simply does NOT comprehend.

Valkyrie's picture

ST is the only place I can look at all viewpoints on various topics to make sure I'm not crazy. Though I already had a daughter when I became an SM, I had NO IDEA what fresh hell was in store for me. If it wasn't for ST and all the wonderful folks on here, I would have started chasing people around with sharp pointy objects long ago.

Conversely, SO has a male friend with no step-kids that he likes to 'share feelz' with. Male friend now thinks I'm kinda evil because I object to cooking, cleaning and serving other people's kids for 6 hours a day while skids and SO lie in bed. For the record, I take him calling me evil as a compliment! }:)

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Valkryie, even before I read your comment, I thought "IMO, being called evil is a compliment!!" LMAO!!!

Valkyrie's picture

So true! I was probably more offended by the 'kinda' part as it means I'm not trying hard enough Biggrin

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Right?! Let's get it straight. I do NOT do half-a$$ed evil. I go full-blown, 110% EVIL!!

Dovina's picture

I would trust Curious Georgetta's advice, after all she is a therapist Wink

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Dovina, such language! I'm hurt and appalled you would use those words on my blog!!

My dear, unless CG stands for the list below, I find it horribly offensive. Acceptable CG:

* Computer Generated
* Commanding General
* Card Game
* Color Guard
* Coast Guard
* Character Generator

xoxoxo Wink

Aniki-Moderator's picture

That little scamp is absolutely adorable!! Which reminds me... I need to buy bananas.

SacrificialLamb's picture

I think someone with "Curious" in her name actually ought to be slightly curious about the Dark, Sinister World of the SM. Instead she pompously preaches.

Countrymom's picture

I don't post often, but read everyday, and the advice given here is the only advice that I take to heart. As everyone has said, you don't have a clue unless you've been there and I don't know anyone in real life close enough to talk about my step family issues.

I have been a stepchild and stepmother, I had a stepfather and a stepmother. I have quite a bit of experience in the step family department and the various relationships. Yet, my "wonderful" MIL thinks she's knows all and her advice and how she thinks things should be is correct. MIL has been married to FIL for 30 years, her parents are still married, FIL's parents are still married. She has NO experience in step life! I've finally gotten to where I have little contact with her and when I do I just ignore.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

I've been a stepmother for a total of 25 years now. 18 years prior to my current DH. The last 7 years... let's just say that SUCKY is a serious understatement. I absolutely adore my husband, but not his kids/skids or parenting style. He was a MUCH different parent when he was married to BioHo. PAS and a total SH!TE therapist took their tolls.

momjeans's picture

Those that have spent time in the trenches of step hell, mostly. There have been a couple rare nutjobs who just don’t get it, though.

In the beginning, I mistakenly thought my MIL would be a good source of support and advice, since FIL had two teenage girls from a previous marriage. Oh boy, was I wrong. The first and only couple times I expressed my grievances, I was met with a “Well, skid comes first. Always will. Get used to it.”

Yeah, that’s a BIG nope, lady.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Disengagement was NOT an easy decision for me. C'mon. I had been ENGAGED with 3 skids for 18 years. And while I'm no longer married to the father, I still have a GREAT relationship with them. I honestly hoped to have, at the very least, a respectful relationship with the current skids. Pfffft.

Disengagement was HARD. I was raised to be a worker AND a caretaker. My parents expected all of us, boys and girls, to learn how to live independently, WORK for a living, and take care of things (cooking, cleaning, paying bills, raising kids). We had foster sisters and they were treated like blood siblings. No special treatment. No coddling. There were house rules and all were expected to follow them - including our friends who were guests in my parents' home. Can't follow the rules? Go home.

It is as natural for me to cook and clean and take care of things as it is to breathe. I was raised to be this way and it's so much a part of me, to do otherwise goes against the grain. NOT clean up? NOT cook? NOT bake cookies? NOT offer to help?? NOT help my husband figure out solutions because the biomother doesn't give a rat's ass for anything other than herself, money, and booze?? For a long time, it was a difficult internal struggle. Every.Damn.Day. For anyone who thinks I still do not struggle, you're wrong. It's just not every day any more.

SacrificialLamb's picture

I have been an SD for over 4 decades. I am also a BM. When I married my DH, whose two daughter were ADULTS when their parents divorced, I thought it would be a piece of cake. I had so much step experience already, right? DH and I are both nice, reasonable people, right? His kids were adults, so why would they be jealous when they had busy lives?

Well, I didn't know then how they were raised to love drama by their mother. I didn't know that DH was Chump Daddy and BM did all the parenting, which wasn't a good thing. I didn't know what relational aggression was until I found this site. I did not know OSD's main goal in life, and she will tell you this, is to manipulate people to get her way. It's a game she loves to win, and she warned me ahead of time she always got her way.

On this site I encountered other SMs of adult princesses with daddy's who were scared of their daughters. They really made a lot of sense to me. My mom also has been an SM for decades. She pointed things out to me that OSD was doing before I was even aware, because I still held onto to the blended family dream.

I've been fortunate enough to have a counselor, not an SM herself, who got it, because she felt everyone was entitled to respect, even we lowly SMs!

I had a friend act as though I should put up with anything from DH's adult child, just because it's his child. Really? Who else should we allow to drive a wedge in our marriage? Why is it ok for an adult SD to slam me to daddy with things I never did, calling me names, making up stories, trying to sabotage our vacations, trying to convince him I was abusing him and he should move to her city, in hopes he will get divorced to make his helpless adult child happy?

We SMs understood that our DHs love their children. Some of us have bios and we get it. But I did not sign up to be Sacrificial Lamb to a middle-aged histrionic Princess who needs a heck of a lot of counseling herself to deal with the fact that the world does not revolve around her, her daddy's life does not revolve around her now that she is an adult, and her father has the right to be happy with a woman who is not her mother.