Husband doesn't care about birth
My husband has a business trip the day after my due date. It's 3 days. He also planned to see SD the weekend before my due date for a family get together that's a pretty far away. I'm not comfortable traveling that distance from my hospital that close to my due date so I'm not going. My parents will be with me and I have some supportive neighbors so I won't be alone. It's like he totally forgets when I'm due. If I go into labor while he's with SD I'm worried he's going to bring her to the hospital. I don't want a kid there while I'm in labor and giving birth. She can come later but I'd prefer other family bring her rather than my husband running around to get her and take her home while I'm trying to take care of a new baby. My parents will help me but he should be helping me...
I'm just sad and disappointed. I don't even want to talk to him right now I just want to be alone. It's like he doesn't even want to be around for the birth. He wanted this baby but it's all about SD right now. She wants to see us all the time after the baby is here but having SD more will be overwhelming for me and will require a lot of time for my husband driving her back and fourth. I feel like he is going to burn up his paternity leave with SD.
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I can't believe his work is
I can't believe his work is making him go on a business trip within a week of the birth of his child. Are there super extenuating circumstances as to why he has to go on this trip?
He didn't say no, it's "only
He didn't say no, it's "only a 4 hour drive away."
I'd be furious if my DH
I'd be furious if my DH pulled that. I am also pregnant. My DH has already let his work know that he was going to take time off when I give birth in a few months. My DH got a court summons for when I am 36 weeks. He had his lawyer file for him to attend electronically because the hearing is in another state and he didn't want to leave me so late. Surely, your DH can make other arrangements. He has a daughter. He knows how hard it is to take care of a baby.
Does he know how you feel
Does he know how you feel about his lack of interest in the pregnancy and how much you want him there during the birth?
Does he realize how him driving back and forth with SD is taking precious time he can have with you and the birth of the baby? Why can't he cancel this business trip?
Probably not, I feel like I
Probably not, I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this, it should be obvious right? I'm not even angry with him I'm just so sad about it I don't even want to interact with him.
You may feel like "you
You may feel like "you shouldn't have to explain this" but in this case "you do". If you don't tell him what you feel and what you want, how is he suppose to know? He's not a mind reader and although to many it's common sense, to him it's not. Speak your truth and tell him your expectations.
He's probably clueless and has no idea. Let him know SeeYouNever, that way he has an opportunity to show up for you, the baby, and himself. If he doesn't that's a whole other story that needs to be addressed.
You're right. I was waiting
You're right. I was waiting until my parents arrived and hoping they'd set him straight, but I should be an adult and tell him myself.
Men Are Idiots
My DH has been pretty great at a lot but I've learned I just need to flat out let him know my expectations sometimes. I told him that I'd lose my shit if he ever compared any detail of my pregnancy to satan. He did really well and didn't bring up ANYTHING... I would have waddled over and lost it on him towards the end. There are so many emotions and it's hard enough.
If you let him know that even though he can't do anything but hold your hand or bring you water his physical support and presence is something you WANT/NEED. My hubby works out of town. I let him know that I would NEVER forgive him if he left me alone and I had to drive myself to the hospital.
This is a time for you to advocate for yourself, as silly and as much as you think he should already know what you need.
All of this^^^
All of this^^^
This is where sometimes we need to be straight up blunt with someone instead of just sitting over in the corner wishing they would make different choices.
DH... I know it's only 4 hours but I am not comfortable with you being gone in the time surrounding when I might have our baby. I also want to know that you can give me the support that I need. Please make sure you make arrangements for SD's care in the event that the baby comes during your time with her because I am going to need you with me.. and it won't be the best place for SD.
A positive thought - you can
A positive thought - you can give the nurses a list of the ONLY people who are to be allowed to see you and do not put SD on it.
It's completely
It's completely understandable that you want OH there (but not SD). Time for her to meet the new arrival after the event. My OH was also on a business trip 3 hours away when I went into labour. In fairness though he dropped everything and a colleague lent him his car for him to drive home.He didn't miss much.
Some men are just clueless,
Some men are just clueless, especially when they have strong, capable wives who just suck it up and don't say something. It's time to help your husband get a clue. Tell him that even 4 hours when it's right at your due date and it's your first baby is too much. Let him know you need him. The same with the family event. Let him know in no uncertain terms you'd prefer he stay with you.
It could be that he doesn't know how important it is to you to have him close. Or it could be he doesn't care. You won't know until you let him know your feelings and give him a chance to do the right thing. If he's just an uncaring ass, you'll know and can act accordingly. If he's a clueless man, better to talk to him and have him stay with you than risk him missing the birth, you feeling marginalized and neglected and resentment building. Better to have the conversation than be a martyr. Even though you *shouldn't* have to tell him something that seems so obvious to us, you do.
Child birth is already a
Child birth is already a tricky subject and gets worse when there are other kids involved. Yes you are the mother and giving birth but it’s his child too. I understand you not wanting an extra child around but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t want her there. What would you do if this wasn’t HIS child but a joint child?
Because that’s the difference, she is HIS child as much as the one you’re having. He still has a duty to her even though you’re having a kid.
Of course you’ll get the final say but it comes at a cost. If you decide to not tell him when you go into labor you can’t hold it against him in the future and when he is upset about it you can’t blame him. It’s being petty and this isn’t the time for it. Yeah he's not any better but the thing is you're not giving him any possession of this. It's YOUR child and YOUR birth and YOUR way. To hell with what he wants.
But sd is NOT. A joint child.
But sd is NOT. A joint child. That makes all the difference. I wouldn't want a child unrelated to me to be at my birth. And yes, if I'm the one giving birth, it is MY birth and my way. The needs of a laboring mother are paramount here.
I wouldn't want a joint child
I wouldn't want a joint child at a birth either, I'd have them come after. Maybe the next day depending on the time and recovery.
Right, I didn't have my first
Right, I didn't have my first at the birth of my second and I'm not saying one should. I'm just addressing how ridiculous it is that ppl seem to place the skids even above the needs of a woman who is giving birth.
Not placing the needs of the
Not placing the needs of the child over the mom because this isn't about needs. Mom doesn't NEED dad there. Emotional needs are alot more complicated.
Dad already has a child in the case. He is also the parent of the new child. Yet we seem to think men shouldn't have any say in birth... Ok that's fine. I understand and agree. You're birth you're way but you don't get to dictate other's actions. You can say who is and isn't allowed in the room but you can't force someone to be in the room.
This is ridiculous. So we
This is ridiculous. So we shouldn’t want or need our DH’s in the room because he has other kids? What a ridiculous statement.
True, you can't. However, if
True, you can't. However, if my DH wasn't in the room for the birth of our child because he *chose* to be with his other child, I doubt he'd remain my DH. Or even my H. Sometimes there's no choice. Usually there is.
That's fine but that means DH
That's fine but that means DH might not be there because she is still his child. You have the choice to have a kid with someone who has one already. It's complicates things and if you want to act like she's not part of your family that's fine but you can't be mad at DH for not doing the same.
The needs of the laboring mom aren't what's being talked about here. A laboring mom NEEDS medical assistance to ensure her safety and the child's safety. Believe it or not there's very little in NEEDS past that. She doesn't NEED the babies father there. She doesn't NEED to have his complete attention.
You chose to reject his child you face the aftermath of that.
Are you serious? Have you
Are you serious? Have you given birth before? There are plenty of NEEDS besides medical. There is a NEED for support. There is a need for reassurance. Labor is hard work and can be scary and sometimes dangerous. The SM didn't get pregnant by herself. I think its perfectly reasonable to expect your PARTNER to be there for you. Not to mention this new baby is as much his child as skid and deserves the same attention and love. Heres a news flash: a few hours without daddy will not kill SD. OP isn't asking DH to push his other child away forever, just long enough to focus on the birth.
Funny BM here gave birth just
Funny BM here gave birth just fine without the children's dad (because aparently our countries NEEDS were more important). My mom did just fine giving birth to my sister without my father.
You're talking emotional needs now which are very complicated.
I never said SD is the end all be all. I just don't feel OP is either. We're not going to agree and that's fine. I've give my thoughts and I'm done.
Thank goodness.
Thank goodness.
zero comparison when you have
zero comparison when you have someone who is deployed vs someone who is going to take pumpkin to get some pizza...
sure.. it's technically possible to give birth without the father being present.. but when it is an OPTION.. and the person who is giving birth WANTS it? damn straight he should be making those arrangements and not flitting about on business trips (that are in any way voluntary) and taking SD to mcdonalds.
Look.. your choice.. and my choice might be different. You want to squat in bloody water surrounded by everyone in your near to extended family.. good for you. I never had kids.. but you know who I always said I would want in the room?.... Only those people who are licensed to administer pain relief and medical assistance.. no mothers.. no inlaws.. no children... no HUSBAND... none of them.. it would be an intensely personal and private experience with a lot of loss of dignity in the process... I don't need an audience for that. But if some people WANT their spouse holding their hand through the whole process???? that is THEIR choice. and if they want their spouse doing it without running out to "check on SD".. then that is what they should get.. shoot.. lots of "first families" don't have the other kids at the hospital but get a babysitter or relative to watch the kids.
There's a big difference
There's a big difference between a woman not having the father of her child there because he is deployed and because he chooses to be with another child. There's a such thing as family, or babysitters. The father doesn't need to personally be with his older child; he needs to make sure they're taken care of while he's gone. A good father would make arrangements for his older child so that he/she is cared for while he is present to support the mother of his new baby.
Why is there this big idea
Why is there this big idea that the child being at the hospital means she has to be in the room and DH has to be 100% focused on her? Is every family member going to be in the room during labor? My sister was born when I was 5. I sat in the waiting room with other family members. After the birth my sister was separated from my mom because of a medical complications. My dad ensured my mom was safe and let her rest. He then took me to the nursery window and showed me my sister.
Had everything gone ok after my mom and sister were moved I would have been the next person in the room to meet MY sister. Yes mom and dad had their moment but once they opened the doors to anyone else I was the next in.
If you don’t want the child at the hospital that’s fine but life doesn’t stop for you. If you will let ANYONE visit you and the baby after birth then dad should be allowed to let HIS first child meet HIS new child and THEIR sibling, THEIR FAMILY.
Otherwise the idea that she is being replaced is hard to ignore not just for the daughter but the dad.
Whoa.
Hold your horses there. OP never said that she's inviting a bunch of people for the birth. In fact, I think she's been clear that she only wants her mom there along with her DH. Further, she even indicated that she's happy to have her SD there AFTER the birth to meet the baby. You seem to be unecessarily annoyed with OP and assuming the worst of her.
Correct, just my mom and
Correct, just my mom and husband. Unless he has gone to another state for his business trip or to see SD. He was not planning to have SD at our house that weekend since she wanted to go to a family thing with in laws.
this is not necessarily true.
this is not necessarily true.. and not wanting to have her DH distracted by SD when she is giving birth is HER choice. Grandma can bring SD to see the baby when mom is up to having visitors.
These days.. the option of seeing the baby "in the nursery" are apparently not typical... so the baby and mom are generally in their room..
It's also pretty typical for hospital stays to be very short.. and people are discharged while still early in recovery.
There is ZERO wrong about her husband making sure that his daughter is safely being cared for elsewhere if she doesn't want her husband's focus to be elsewhere.
There really shouldn't be a
There really shouldn't be a cost. The majority of intact families don't have their older children at the birth. When my baby is born, no skids will be at the hospital. They will come after DH and I have had time to bond with the baby, they will be brought by someone other than DH so that he doesn't have to leave, and then they will leave. I would do the same if they were bios, and I would expect no blowback from DH. If baby comes during our time with the skids, I have MY parents on call to stay with them. Yes, they're DH's responsibility, but he has multiple responsibilities and that one is going to be delegated. If BM takes them instead, great, but we're not relying on her. OP's husband needs to have a plan if he's going to bring SD, and that plan shouldn't be her being at the hospital.
I think it is ridiculous to
I think it is ridiculous to expect a laboring woman to deal with her SD in the delivery room. I have 3 Bios and 1 SD. None of them are welcome in the delivery room. And my DH understands that. Why should she have to tolerate any child when she is giving birth. I bet her DH's first wife did not have to navigate a child in the delivery room. Why should she not be given the same courtesy, just because her DH had another child?
I never said that she should
I never said that she should be expected to deal with it. I said that OP can get what she wants but she can't dictate how someone else feels about things. If she decides not to call him that's her right but she can't hold it against him in the future.
What did or did not happen during the first wife's birth has no relevence on now. It's not the same in any way.
It's not relevant what
It's not relevant what happened at BMs birth but apparently it affects mine. If my husband is so insensitive as to go hang out with SD and his family in another town several hours away on a day where it is quite likely that I'm going to go into labor I think it would be fine for me to not prioritize keeping him in the loop of what's going on with me.
I may even have the baby before this time, and then what? I actually will need more help after giving birth than during and it would be pretty cruel to leave me alone for a day or two to do this weekend. First kids are first priorities I guess.
Just so I know in the future.
Just so I know in the future. When does life stop for everyone else when I get pregnant? Is SO allowed to see his family a week before I MIGHT give birth? Should he just take off for a full month around the birth of our child?
You’re giving the due date way to much weight and you’re not there yet.
You’re also making demands that he focus completely on you and to hell with anything else.
Your partner was a father before he met you. You knew things would be complicated and chose to go forth having a family with him. I didn’t say you should have known EVERYTHING that would happen but this is a pretty expectable event.
SO and I talked about child birth within a month of getting together to make sure we were compatible. Now you’re upset because your guy feels different then you. You’re right and everyone else is wrong.
No their different and HE’S different. I’m not saying he gets to forget about you for his daughter. I’m saying that’s what you’re asking him to do. You’re not willing to be flexible in any way. It’s YOUR birth and yours alone. You aren’t considering him at all so he’s detaching.
Again I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying you two are different and you’re not considering anything. You’ve set a wall between you and made your demands. You’re upset that he’s not bending to your will.
What about when you disagree on the child's first birthday? You gonna get what you want becuase it's YOUR kid and YOU'RE the mother? When does it stop? A day after the kids born it's finally his kid and he's allowed to have a say and ask for a compromise?
You're not trying to compromise at all. You're dictating and you're upset he's not falling in line.
Can you really not see that
Can you really not see that her having a baby, because of what it entails in terms of HER BODY, is different than who is at the freaking first birthday party?
I'm all for men having equal rights. So let's have SD in the room when he has a vasectomy.
This sounds like an idealized
This sounds like an idealized version of reality based on total lack of experience. Maybe when she’s actually faced with it herself she’ll decide she’d like to be a priority after all. Because, I dunno, maybe childbirth is a big deal after all..
I never said she had to be in
I never said she had to be in the room. I said she shouldn't be banned from the hospital and not allowed to see the child for who knows how long after the birth but OP can welcome in any family member she wants after the fact but DH isn't allowed the same.
We're talking about the man's kid and the new childs sister. We're talking about a direct family member who will be directly impacted by the new child every day of her life. This isn't the mans best friend from highschool or his mother. It's his other child. He is right to want his child apart of this moment.
Please get away from the idea that I'm saying the kid needs to be in the room and DH should be just worried about her.
You are wrong here.
You are wrong here.
If OP doesn't want her husband having to keep running out to check on SD.. to make sure that SHE.. the laboring mother.. has his UNDIVIDED attention.. then THAT is HER CHOICE.
Many women have their other kids left at home.. or at a relative's house being watched while they are at the hospital.. then the next day.. or so.. the kids are brought for a visit. There is zero reason for a child to be sitting in a hospital waiting room for HOURS.. and it can be like all day.. or all night... while everyone has to try to deal with her whining.. she is bored.. she is hungry.. she is tired.. wants to play.. wants to go outside etc...
Not seeing the baby (which will most likely have to take place in the recovery room with a wiped out mother).. within hours of birth is NOT going to emotionally scar anyone.
Now you are changing your
Now you are changing your story. Everyone's arguing that she shouldn't be in the delivery room and you never once said that you meant she should be in the waiting room. In fact, you said that your skids will be there while you give birth.
That is an assumption. I
That is an assumption. I never thought of the child being in the room. I stated that I expected mine to be around and we want to do an at home birth. Two different things. Basicly it was a poor example of how I respect SO's desire to have his children present during a family event. I don't think of them being in the room when I give birth but I wouldn't say they aren't allowed in the home at all.
What makes you think your
What makes you think your skids would even want to be in the home while you’re giving birth. Have you ever been in a maternity ward? I suggest you spend some time in one. Listen to the shrieking women & ask yourself if that’s something most kids would want to be around. Not to mention all the smells & bodily fluid, possible stitches, and heaven forbid anything go wrong & you need to be taken to the hospital. Hemorrhaging is a thing, even with midwives at a homebirth. I’m sure your skids would love to witness that.
Have you ever heard of the golden hour? It’s the first hour or two after you give birth, it’s time for the *parents* to bond with their new child. Not parents, grandparents, skids, next door neighbours, pets or the delivery guy. Birth is not a ‘family event’. It’s a biological process, it’s unpredictable, and it really freaking hurts.
As much as you feel your skids are ‘your kids’ and you ‘love them like your own’, pregnancy hormones can change those feelings real quick. I never would have thought it’d change how I felt about my SS’s, but it certainly did. I learned very quickly the difference in how I felt about my unborn child vs my skids, and there’s no comparison. None whatsoever. So as much as you feel you’d want skids there & you’d be totally fine with your SO using his parental leave to play with his previous children, your protective mama bear instincts, hormones, and possibly even medical necessity (ever tried getting out of bed after having your abdomin sliced open to remove a child? Have fun with that), you easily might find you’ve changed your mind.
Previous children, whether intact or blended, are NOT the priority when a new child is born. To think that’s reasonable is a laugh.
What you think you’ll want &
What you think you’ll want & what you’ll want can easily be two different things. If you don’t think it’s important your partner be there for the birth of his kid, or that he prioritize his previous children over the birth of your child, good for you.
But to tell other women that they’re wrong for expecting their partner to prioritize them over their previous children during labour is wrong. My husband prioritized me 100% over his kids around the time I gave birth to our child. He knew they were not welcome at the hospital. He made it clear to BM she would need to make arrangements for the boys while I was giving birth, and she did.
It’s not the same thing to have a child in an intact family vs in a blended one, namely because there is another *parent* who can take care of the children. Even in intact families, however, it’s not uncommon for both parents to be present at the birth of their child. My dad was present when my youngest sister was born, and my older sister, brother & I were absolutely not welcome to be present at her birth. They made arrangements for us to be cared for so my dad could support my mum.
Again, if you think it’s reasonable to be at the bottom of the totem pole while you deliver your child, good for you. But plenty more women don’t feel that way & there’s nothing wrong with that.
Never said she was the bottom
Never said she was the bottom of the totem pole. Can we get away from this idea of what should happen in labor. I never ment to imply the child should be in the room and the focus of the moment. In my eyes the delivery room is complete different and of course minimal people should be in there. My focus is on after. The moment after where OP would welcome in her mom and dad. DH should be allowed to welcome in the new child's sister. He should be allowed to introduce his orginal child to the newest member of HER family.
nope... absolutely doesn't
nope... absolutely doesn't have to happen.right in that moment. many kids meet their new sibling when the child comes home from the hospital.. including in "in tact" families.
don't force your choice as the correct one for OP. she doesn't want it.. so that's it. this is nowhere near the issue like your DH not wanting you to do some sketchy new wave birthing practice at home... where the safety ..medical safety of you and the child could be at risk. this is OP wanting to have support of her husband without him being distracted by his other child. that isn't out of line on her part.
I'm not forcing my choices on
I'm not forcing my choices on OP. In the end this is between her and DH. I'm explaining why he might be detached. He's being given no say in anything. He's being told his wants don't matter at all. This isn't about needs. It's about wants.
Again this isn't about the moment the child is born and this isn't saying DH shouldn't be in the room but if DH wants the child there and has family or whoever willing to watch the child then so be it. When OP allows HER family to see the child DH should be given the same option. I'm not saying EVERYONE does. I'm saying there's another side.
Also the sketchy new wave having kids at home idea isn't that new.... We in america make NORMAL birth a medical crisis. I don't wish to be in an uncomfortable room with harsh lights singing on me my legs in stirrups foced to push in an angle that isn't condusive to labor while the doctor wants me to hurry up so they can go home.
If it's there are no risk factors and I get the all clear I want control over how I bring a child into the world. I want a midwife who's whole education is on child birth to assist me. I want to give birth without drugging myself and my baby. I want to be able to walk around and move freely.
just stop.. you are wrong.
just stop.. you are wrong. he isn't detached because OP doesn't want his daughter at the hospital.. as far as we can tell... she hasn't made her needs known to him.
don't blame the OP for HER feelings and HER choices. they are right for her and as 99 percent of the people on this board... or in other words "Everybody but NTT" says "you have a right to dictate who is at the hospital and you have the right to ask that SD not be there because you are worried she will end up distracting your husband.. that SD is welcome to come visiting when OP is ready. Literally EVERYONE thinks this is reasonable.. but you.
So in other words, you think
So in other words, you think HIS needs are more important than her needs, so because she dares to want something different, he can avoid being there when the baby is born.
Germy kids don't need to see a baby the minute it's born. It will still be her sibling if she sees it a week after.
And sometimes it's all just a
And sometimes it's all just a pipe dream.
I planned on giving birth in the local cottage hospital - great reputation, great atmosphere. I ended off being heliported to the nearest high risk maternity ...
So much for my plans.
Typically after birth these
Typically after birth these days there is the "golden hour," which is reserved for the new parents to bond with the baby. Sometimes it's an hour, sometimes it's a few. The OP never said she was going to be traipsing visitors through her room immediately after birth while SD was not welcome. It sounded like just her mom would be there.
As I've said elsewhere, when my baby is born my skids will not be at the hospital. They will not be brought immediately afterwards. When I'm ready for visitors, they can come. That might be the day of the birth, or it might be the next day. It's possible (but unlikely) that they won't come to the hospital at all and will meet the baby when we get home. I did not meet my younger sister on the day she was born, and we're an intact family. I came with my dad, older sibling and a babysitter (so my dad could focus entirely on my mom and the new baby) the following day to pick mom and baby up at the hospital. That was soon enough.
I love my skids. I have them 50% of the time. They're a big part of my life. And I still don't want them at the hospital when I give birth. It will not affect my relationship with them, DH's relationship with them, or a new sibling's relationship with them if they're not at the hospital. I completely, 100% understand where the OP is coming from. Maybe someday you will too.
There are about 3 weeks at
There are about 3 weeks at least that I should not travel too far from my hospital. People should come to ME at this time or not expect me to attend things. It would be nice to have my support system stay with me as well since you shouldnt drive while in labor. Normal people understand this.
How should I even be flexible? I don't even know when labor will occur and he's booked himself to be out of town both before and after my due date. I don't know where you are getting the idea I am making demands that are unreasonable, like having my husband not travel several hours away during this time. I never said he shouldnt see SD as normal, he is getting her and taking her to the in laws rather than bringing her to our house. That is the problem. My dad could watch her but he'd rather go to a family party without in in another state.
Your husband still has a life
Your husband still has a life. He wants to go to a family party and who knows what will happen that exact weekend. Maybe he'll decide against it because you are so close to birth. Or maybe like my sister you'll go two weeks over before they induce then figure out they miscalcuated the date and the child was actally delivered 2 weeks early still and would have been a month if they had forced the due date.
I'm saying you are expressing that you don't think he should see his child after. That she's wrong for wanting to come over after the child is born. That it will "burn up his paternity leave". Sorry he doesn't stop being her father for 3 weeks after the child is born...... or do you plan to ship this one away for a few weeks if yo uhave another.
Step family situations are
Step family situations are different... they just are.
The fact that you are great about your theoretical birth situation and having your DH's kids present?/? that is YOUR perogative.
The bottom line is that the hospital is NOT the place for the majority of children when their mother or stepmother is giving birth. It can be long.. drawn out and boring.. it can be scary.. it can be chaotic. The laboring mother may need and want her husband's support... having to cater to a needy child during all of this? no.. that is not a reasonable expectation. There could be life threatening complications.. and the last thing that needs to happen is for him to be comforting and chasing after SD while his wife is in labor...
Really.. Now.. if a mother or stepmom is ok with the "whole family" being at the hospital.. that is her and if it's your.. your perogative.. but my thoughts are that the person who is laboring through birth for hours... shouldn't have to be concerned about anything else than the business of giving birth with the people she wants to be supporting her with her.. like the man that was THERE when the conception happened.
There is nothing wrong with her husband making a PLAN for someone to take care of SD.. maybe his mom.. maybe SD's mom.. maybe a friend..or an aunt.. somewhere that the girl can be safely cared for so that she isn't a major distraction at the hospital. OP.. KNOWS her SD and knows it wouldn't be a good situation. Why not make these plans ahead of time so no one is scrambling at the last minute?
In families there ARE situations when there are competing needs/wants.. He will not scar his daughter for life by missing some custody time because he is attending to his wife's MEDICAL needs. I imagine there will be plenty of times when SD's needs come before OP's as well.
When he pops a baby out of
When he pops a baby out of his penis he can decide who is in the room. And he's an asshole if he doesn't defer that decision to his wife, since she's the one screaming, shitting and bleeding all over the place.
Besides, watching childbirth could be traumatic for a kid. So he's a crap husband AND a crap father.
Didn't know a kid had to be
Didn't know a kid had to be in the delivery room to be at the hospital?
And who’s going to watch this
And who’s going to watch this kid when they’re not in the delivery room? Dad? That would mean he’s not in the delivery room either.
So OP is going to have every
So OP is going to have every other family memeber in the room. There's NO ONE who could keep an eye on the kid in the waiting room? Is the first child a completely helpless infent? At 5 I was able to entertain myself in the waiting room with my grandparents anxiously watching the door. I remember people poping out to update us and my grandfather hugging me and telling me my sister was coming. I remember being apart of the experience yet I don't think I was a distraction to my parents. I mean I guess when my dad let the doctor sew up my mom and took me to the nersery window to see my sister he was abandoning my mother?
Where did she say she was
Where did she say she was having all sorts of family at the hospital? You’ve never given birth, so you cannot say with accuracy what you will actually want. My labour was 50 hours. FIFTY. Do you know how many people were in the waiting room? Zero. Including my stepsons. They had no business being there because I wanted my husbands full, undivided attention, and I really don’t think they would have wanted to be there for 50 hours anyways.
Your idea of what labour is actually like, and what OP wants, is laughable. Wait until you have your own, if you still feel the way you do now then good for you. Until then however, you’re simply ignorant. Labour is a big deal, and the mother calls the shots.
OP hasn't told us much about
OP hasn't told us much about what she wants and doesn't want. Everyone's making assumptions as to what's going on when all OP talked about is being mad her hubby was going to visit family shortly before and currently has a WORK trip planned for after this magical due date that is so incorrect half the time it's a joke. We don't know what will happen and what DH wants but what I'm saying is he SHOULD have equal rights. AFTER the child is born and both are safe if mother is well enough to start seeing people dad should be allowed.
she said her parents will be
she said her parents will be there.. no mention of HIS parents being around.. in fact.. it sounds like one of the things that concerns her is that her INLAWS... are having some event that her DH would be taking SD to. Why not see if his parents could get SD.. instead of him being potentially out of pocket?
There isn't going to be anyone there to watch SD.. that seems clear. OP wants her husband with her.. not running out to get poopsie some jello from the hospital cafeteria.. or running her somewhere to get a nap..
OP is just fine with SD coming to the hospital later.. brought by maybe her husband's parents... I see NOTHING exclusionary about this.
There is zero reason.. none.. nada.. why that child needs to be at the hospital for hours to get bored and hangry.. when she could happily be hanging out with her mom.. or nanna.. etc..
OP has specifically said she
OP has specifically said she only wants her mother & husband at the hospital at the time of her birth. I only had my husband there.
OP has said she’d welcome SD at the hospital after the birth, you’re the one making up the story that OP doesn’t want her to meet her sibling at the hospital.
As for that WORK trip, if it’s optional then yes, he should stay home. Childbirth is a big deal, and wanting your spouse there is normal. Not to mention reasonable.
So do EQUAL rights mean he
So do EQUAL rights mean he gets what he wants and too bad for her?
many hospitals do not have
many hospitals do not have the "nursery window" any more... so there goes that outdated argument.
Yeah many kick mom out after
Yeah many kick mom out after less than 8 hours so how about no one come visit in the hospital.
Last I checked, insurance is
Last I checked, insurance is required to cover 48 hours after a vaginal birth, 96 after c-section, so it's unlikely a hospital in the US would be kicking anyone out less than 8 hours after birth. But whatever.
This is unacceptable and I am
This is unacceptable and I am sorry you are going through this!
I am somewhat surprised by
I am somewhat surprised by the varying responses in this thread. While in every relationship there is give and take, and a balancing of opinions and preferences, I am hard pressed to understand the husband's attitude towards his child's birth. Taking the SD out of the equation, the planning of a business trip alone surprises me, and demonstrates a lack of concern for OP and their unborn child. While some may argue that it's his choice, and simply "different" from OPs preference, I cannot wrap my mind around the fact that a man, who decided to have another child, is not making adequate contingency plans such that he is present for the birth of his child. This isn't some random date night. It's a once in a lifetime chance to see his offspring enter the world. ETA: ...and to support the woman who is making that process possible!
As for what to do with SD, there is plenty of time to make arrangements for her during the birth.
OP, please do clearly tell DH your preferences for the birth - if in fact you still want to ensure his presence. If you do, tell him that the business trip is very much upsetting you, and that you will be far more comfortable if you have child care in place for SD.
OP don’t listen to anyone who
OP don’t listen to anyone who says your DH should be prioritizing his child or that you’re making a big deal out of wanting him in the delivery room with you. You’re not. It’s YOUR birth experience and that’s what you want, SD should not be the priority right now.
And no, fathers do NOT have equal rights during the birth of your child. Before & after, sure, but during? Absolutely not. YOU are the one giving birth, and labour/delivery is not always a straight forward experience.
If my DH has prioritized my SS’s during my labour I would have left him, I’m not even kidding. It comes down to respect, and prioritizing previous children over the needs of the labouring mother AND the newborn child is the epitome of disrespect. There are other people who can take care of SD during your birth, you shouldn’t have to stress about having her there while you give birth.
Take care of you girl, and make sure your H knows in no uncertain terms exactly what you want. SD is not welcome & he needs to be there.
I think what he chooses to do
I think what he chooses to do is going to ultimately decide the date of our marriage. I would have never expected this of him. At this point I'd rather he go to a pub down the street and drink a whiskey and smoke a cigar during labor just so he would stay in the same town as me.
Please.Tell.Him.This.
Please.Tell.Him.This.
Tell your husband what you want and need. If he refuses then you really know the fate of your relationship. He may have zero idea what you are thinking.. maybe his EX didn't want anyone but her mom there.. idk.
Don't just suffer in silence and marinate in the bitter juice of resentment. you would be surprissed how poor some people are at reading minds.. should he know better? maybe.. but who knows.
Don't leave something unsaid that could be fixed right now.. and steer a better course for everyone.
Honey, I know you have that business trip scheduled but is there any way that can be delayed or can someone else go? I know you might think I'm being silly but I really want to know that you can be there for me when I have our baby. I'm really going to need your help and support. I'm also really concerned that I might end up having the baby when you have SD.... can you set up a backup plan for her just in case? I'm nervous and scared enough about the whole situation and if something goes wrong.. I really will need and want your 100% undivided attention...It is really important to me. Thanks for understanding.
Agreed, and I've never even
Agreed, and I've never even had kids. YES, it's his child too, but he's not the one who is doing the heavy lifting, so he doesn't get the decision who is in the room.
It's absurd to me that he'd consider having ANY kid in the room, much less a kid who isn't related to you.
There's nothing to say he
There's nothing to say he wants the kid in the room. We don't know what he wants. Having a kid at the hospital doesn't mean the kid needs to be in the delivery room.
Again, who will be watching
Again, who will be watching this kid then? Kids can’t just hang out in waiting rooms on their own, hospital staff are not babysitters.
There's not going to be ANY
There's not going to be ANY family willing to keep an eye on the kid? The child is a helpless infant who can't color in the corner? Or is NO ONE but DH going to be there waiting? That's kind of sad.
maybe OP knows her SD better
maybe OP knows her SD better than you do? Maybe she is NOT capable of quietly coloring in the corner. Maybe the delivery etc... could stretch on for 12 hours.. that's an awful lot to expect of even the most ardent colorists.
And.. there actually may not be anyone there to watch SD... maybe HIS family is not local and won't be there.. maybe it's just HER family.. so THEY have to babysit the child? Maybe her family wants to be in and out of the room supporting her (i mean pre-delivery not necessarily active labor in the OR).
There might not be anyone that SD knows or is comfortable with... again.. causing dadeeee to keep having to leave his rightful post to deal with melt downs.
The BEST thing to do is for her husband to make a plan so that SD is being cared for away from the hospital.. where her presence will likely be only a distraction and stressor for herself and everyone else.
If we look at the orginal
If we look at the orginal post OP expect DH to forget about his child COMPLETELY for who knows how long AFTER the birth. This isn't just the day the child is born. OP wants to live in her own world where life can stop for how long? That's not realistic. After the child is born DH has responiblity to continue his "standard" parenting time. The first child SHOULD be allowed in the home as NORMAL. Or would if OP has another kid does this one get displaced from it's home after it's brother or sister is born?
no.. she doesn't mind if SD
no.. she doesn't mind if SD comes but apparently there is some amount of drive and she doesn't want her husband having to do all that when SHE may actually need his help with the new baby.
and perhaps.. if OP does have another child she will have similar expectations.. but then again.. I am assuming that other child will not have another parent that they could be spending time with in a different house.
it sounds like OP might want a few days or week to get her pins under her so to speak. nothing wrong with that at all. plenty of people have their parents stay and help take care of the house and other kids.. but see.. the other kid isn't HER kid.. so HER parents might not be interested in taking that on.. and gee.. the child does have another parent that can certainly care for her.
the child isn't being cast aside and expected to scrub the scullery floor FFS.
What?! She never said she
What?! She never said she wanted him to forget about SD competely. I did really well in reading comprehension, and this is what I saw:
"She wants to see us all the time after the baby is here but having SD more will be overwhelming for me and will require a lot of time for my husband driving her back and fourth"
OMG the poor child wants
OMG the poor child wants extra time with her dad after she is replaced by SM's new baby. No child EVER feels inscure.
it sounds like the BM is
it sounds like the BM is trying to push SD to be at her dad's more.. "since the baby was announced".. is what OP said in her prior blog. She is objecting to a lot of frequent NON-CO extra time that will require a lot of driving back and forth (read ABSENCES) from the home for her husband.
this is not abandoning....this is not shoving the child to the side.. this is placing some priority where it BELONGS.. which is the person who gave birth and the helpless baby that is going to be there. You may have some fantasy out there that women can all just bounce up as soon as they get home and do all the baby caring stuff.. but you are 100000% percent wrong.
My own brother ended up being the primary caregiver to both his wife and infant son after his wife had a particularly nasty and brutal C-section.. she was incapable of being out of bed.. couldn't lift the weight of the baby literally. now this was their first (only child.. don't blame her)...but my brother fed every bottle.. changed every diaper for the first several weeks on top of assisting his wife in and out of bed to go to the DR.. feed her.. do laundry.. everything.
He literally would not have had time to run another child back and forth... he didn't need another person to take care of.. he had a newborn and a very weak wife.
Now.. this obviously may not be what happens to OP.. but she is the SMART one to ask her DH to make arrangements so that he isn't pulled in different directions... things go smoothly? I bet SD is able to be there more.. if things don't go great.. there are plans in place for SD to be brought for brief visits so she can see the baby and daddy.. but DADDY can be there taking care of the people who need it in that moment most urgently.
You want to have your plans.. OP wants her own. You are the only one trying to make her feel like crap for a completely reasonable approach to her situation. Of course her SD is allowed to come see the baby.. she has said that repeatedly.. it's just YOU that has a problem understanding anything.
What the ever loving eff?!?
What the ever loving eff?!? How are you this extreme in your thinking that now OP is replacing her SD with her baby??? Seriously.
My SS’s were not welcome at my birth. Not at the hospital, not in a waiting room, nada. They didn’t come to the hospital to visit my kid either. They met their new sibling a few days later, once DH & I had settled into a new routine with our child. This does NOT mean my skids are/we’re/will ever be ‘replaced’ by my child. Nor is OP ‘replacing’ her SD with her baby.
Give me a freaking break woman, your arguments are pathetic & chock full of projection. You’re straight up making stuff up.
Agree. Wow, chic, what the
Agree. Wow, chic, what the heck with your comments on this post???
Many hospitals will not allow
Many hospitals will not allow an unattended child in the waiting room. I believe the SD in this case is 11. Too young to be unattended in most hospitals.
Oh FFS.
OPs DH cannot be running back and forth to the waiting room to tend on SD. He needs to be in the room, supporting his wife. Just like when he goes on a business trip without SD, during which time he will focus on, say, an important meeting... he can and should do the same for his wife, while she's giving birth.
SD can stay home with a trusted friend or family member, such that DH can be focused on this critical medical event for his wife.
Never said he should be. My
Never said he should be. My grandparents sat with me in the waiting room while dad was with my mom. No one is going to be at the waiting room? That's fine.
maybe it's just OP's parents
maybe it's just OP's parents who can be present? should they be forced to watch his child.. will the child accept that or keep crying for daddy?
Stop trying to support the concept that this child has to be there. SHE.DOES.NOT.
If you want your Skids there.. it is an OPTION for you.. but don't force your choice on others because their situation may not match yours....
How is hubby's first day of work going btw?
NotThatTypical
Yes, I'm calling you out. And I'm doing so on behalf of OP (who I do not know but feel badly for in terms of your responses).
You are extrapolating and making harsh judgments on OP.
OP is not making unecessary demands on her DH. In fact, you'll notice that the majority of this board believe that she is being very reasonable. We are basing this on our own experiences and basic common sense.
OP never stated that everyone else would meet the baby before SD; she was clear that she wanted SD to come after the birth to meet her new sibling. As many of can relate, it is uncomfortable having a gaggle of family members in the waiting room, wanting updates, especially an eager younger sibling. SD will be perfectly fine at home, safely cared for by a trust family member or friend, while her father focuses on his wife for this very specific event.
OP never even hinted at asking her DH to stay home for a month around the birth, as you suggested she did; however, it reasonable for a spouse to not schedule any major trips during the window, such that he's not too far away in case labor begins.
OP never expected "life to stop" when she got pregnant; those were your words. She did, understandably so, ask that she be the priority during the birth - which may be hours to days, not a fully 9+ months of gestation.
Please back off of OP. Your recollection of your younger sibling's birth when you were a little kid has little bearing on OPs situation and the advice other women can provide, who have been through it, with or without older Bio kids or step kids.
exactly.
exactly.
Thank you!
Thank you!
Look in the above post. OP
Look in the above post. OP expressed that she doesn't want the child around after the birth either when they are back home. She expects dad to forget he has another child for who knows how long. Stop focusing on the moment of birth.
This is what OP said: She
This is what OP said: She wants to see us all the time after the baby is here but having SD more will be overwhelming for me and will require a lot of time for my husband driving her back and fourth. I feel like he is going to burn up his paternity leave with SD.
I'm pretty sure she's saying SD wants to be there (or maybe BM wants SD to be there) for EXTRA, non-CO time. She's not saying SD can't be there for her DH's regular parenting time. Right after childbirth, when you have a brand new infant (and you're a FTM), are sleep deprived, are trying to get the hang of breastfeeding and infant care - that's NOT the time to take on another child for extra time, especially if that means your husband, who if he's on paternity leave should be there helping you, will be spending lots of time schlepping the SD back and forth. Perfectly reasonable on OP's part.
I'm not sure where you're coming from, but what the OP is requesting is perfectly reasonable and none of us should be judging her for it.
I am in full
I am in full agreement that you have every right to have the father of your child supporting you and that he is a complete dumbass if he has not grasped that fact. But here is the practicality of the situation. It sounds like you have not been frank with him about your emotional needs. And it also sounds like, if you do not get them met in this situation, you are going to have lasting hostility toward him because of it. That is an absolute marriage killer. So for the sake of your marriage enduring long enough to raise your mutual child, please take a deep breath and be completely honest with him about what you are going to need from him and how you are going to feel if you do not get it. He may not like hearing it but, if you are going to have a burning resentment toward him if he fails to act in a certain way that will almost certainly lead to marital hell, he at least deserves to make a conscious choice about it.
He should cancel things and
He should cancel things and prioritise you. No one know for sure how long a Labour is going to be, my second one was one and a half hours, and I know people that have had twenty minute labours.
First off, PLEASE communicate
First off, PLEASE communicate all this with your husband, men are dumb sometimes and lack awareness.
I promise you this, if he's not there for you during this time, you will forever hold that resentment. I have never forgiven my ex for that and it's part of what ended our marriage -he was also an abusive narcissist-so his 'not being there' was standard operating procedure.
As to NTT- first off, she's not pregnant-how many preggo moms here we have heard whose feelings change DRASTICALLY when they are carrying their own and skids start interferring in resources/time/etc....so I'll just sit back and laugh and wait for her moment that is SURE to come.
Recovery can be brutal-I bled out w/my 1st and was extremelly ill- my mom/brother/cousin who were in waiting room w/my 1st coouldn't come in for about 2hrs after I birthed. I then had after pains from the meds given to stop contractions and them pushing down on my bleeding out uterus-I was in as much pain as during labor for a good 12-18 hrs after.
I seriously struggled with my
I seriously struggled with my SS’s while I was pregnant, and for a few months afterwards. It totally changed how I saw them. Thankfully those feelings have changed but pregnancy hormones are no joke!
I love it when people who’ve never done something say with such conviction they know exactly how they’ll handle it when it actually happens. Yeah ok. Lol
tell him how you feel
It would be best to calmly tell him how you feel and ask him what his motivations are, as I noticed you say 'I feel like he forgets /he doesn't want to' etc men are pretty stupid and insensitive at times and need things spelling out. I mean on one hand you may be right, on another he may just be not thinking, or more worried about skids reaction. Of course this isn't right but it's all based on assumption and it's best to deal with it now. In my case I kept my mouth shut while oh happily agreed to have ss the whole weekend of due date. Lo and behold he witnessed my bleed/emergency, packed off to nans while I had a traumatic birth then brought straight back to baby, me like a zombie hiding outside crying every 5 mins. Hubby thought it would be a fantastic family bonding occasion
Oh hun, there is just no legitimate excuse he has to put work
Above you at that time.
my husband is a senior vp in charge of admin and security of a national bank in his country, he is the centre person and can’t even take a week off without the bank not running smoothly. But his bosses and ceo (whom i know), never make him travel those last 2 weeks and if its 3&4 weeks prior its a quick day trip with his brother who lives nearby on standby incase i go into labor but if signs were labor is imminent, hubby would have one of his managers handle it.
workplaces are like this and they will never and have no right to force your hand if you state your wife is about to give birth any moment.
Even my husband prioritised me. Heck when ss was home when hubby had to take me to hospital, he simply told ss he had to go and ss had to fend for himself. Ss was 17.5 and almost 19 when both my kids were born...
no way should he be having sd over those initial few months and have her harassing you (because that is what it will be), if there are bad behaviours with sd like disrespect, you know you won’t get any private time to bond with your baby, breastfeed, sleep etc, then sd needs to stay with her stepmum and hubby can meet her every weekend for lunch or whatever. But your husband needs to be there with you those initial months when a newborn is so hands on.
heck i wa struggling with a 16.5 month old and a newborn and my ss was 19 at the time living in our home on university breaks and was a lazy piece of shit.
he left trash on kitchen floor, open and slammed doors waking up my kids, scared them and laughed when they cried. I told hubby these issues and he had to address them, deal with them. No buts, he just fixes it now. Hubby did step up and sort it, he knows ss is a selfish inconsiderate ass...
you need to just be frank and state to your husband what you are very angry, disappointed and hurt about, that he isn’t supporting you one bit and he actually intentionally planned to be away from you during those last few weeks.
my obstetrician told my husband 4 weeks prior hubby couldn’t leave the state with me or leave the state, 2 weeks prior we should both remain in our city ready to go to the airport at a moments notice... this was because my husband asked him when he should be on high alert because of his job so he could have other staff on standby and notify his bosses. No issue with his work and they totally understood
the day after my daughter was born, next day hubby had to go to work for a department meeting with his ceo but it was a few hours and his work is close to our hospital, 2nd baby hubby had staff bring over documents the next 2 days for him to sign while he was with me. Thats normal life for me because i married a banker/businessman/senior corporate executive and even then he would never be so inconsiderate and selfish to do what your husband has done.
nip this in the butt now like an adult. Say it straight to his face. Unfortunately the silent treatment isn’t always gonna work and thats a manipulative tactic to get results when you can do the same thing telling him to get his head out of his arse.
its so wrong you have to rely and depend on your neighbour and family instead of your husband. He should be your #1 and you his #1
OP, I was badgered
OP, I was badgered (relentlessly) by my SIL to let her daughters (8 and 11) to visit but the maternity where I gave birth didn't allow anyone under the age of 15 in. Might be worth checking if the hospital where you're going doesn't have a limit like that.
You guys
You guys are way too nice imo. When I was giving birth, the security services of the hospital were informed that only DH is allowed to visit me.
And this is it, I am mean, I know it, but it is all about MY new family, me, the father and the child. All other people have nothing to do in there.
PS: one month before the due date and couple of months after I specifically requested DH to stay with me and bond all together. I would not accept any family event or boy's visitation during this time. If I am supposed to take care of myself and the newborn all alone, I prefer to stay alone and do it. Marriage must make things easier, not worse. IMHO
I did this too. No dh leaving
I did this too. No dh leaving for month before and we didn't see ss for at least two after birth. It helps we are long distance.