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AshMar654's picture

Anyway I was chatting with SS this morning about his shoes because he is wearing the older ones and not the new ones as they have knots and I have not taken them out yet. I said I think all you shoes are probably too small, he grew like 2 inched in the last 6 months, so I figure his feet did too. Yeah they did I can tell also by the way he shoes are ripping. I said we need to get you new shoes. He said Aunt said she would buy me new shoes, but he told her ashmar said I was not allowed new shoes. Kinda true I did say that a while ago when we bought him his last pair. Anyway he did not get shoes. I will be taking him this weekend to get new ones, as I was planning on taking him to get new shoes and clothes for school soon because he has like grown out of everything.

Here is my deal. I appreciate she wants to be involved and be around and do things with SS. I get it she loves him. I invite her over plenty and he does spend nights there here and there when we have time and not doing stuff the three of us. Anyway I never voice this and I do not say much other than to my mom who is my go to person about everything. It has been more than a year now and she still has this needy thing when it comes to SS. Some stuff:
- When she asked him to spend the night, (he never asks by the way, not that he does not want to, but he likes being home and is a more just a go with flow kid), she said something like I would like to see him some before summer is over, I want to spend time with him. It was like he had not been there all summer but he has.
- Trying to buy him shoes, while nice and I some what get it. SO and I are capable of doing this, he is our kid let us do the parent thing. I know that she is just trying to be nice.
- Went to FL and SS and she gave her mom a lecture on what she should and should not do while SS was there. Of course her mom ignored her and did stuff I did not like and I had to kinda ignore and brush away. needless to say next time, if there is one. I am not going without SO. I appreciate her saying something kinda, at the same time not her place totally.

I like her I really do and I appreciate everything she does. Sometimes I just wish she would be the Aunt. I get the history and everything else and blah blah blah. I just wonder when she will stop having this slight dependency on SS to fulfill something in her life. I get it somewhat but a small part of her lives her life around SS still. I wonder if that will ever end and I also wonder if she understands that SS is not dependent on her at all. He loves her but if she moved away for work, he would be bummed but get over it quick. I also wonder what will happen when she finds out one day that SO and I plan to seek me adopting after we are married, at the least legal guardianship because if anything happens to SO he wants SS to be with me.

IDK I know same old stuff another day, but I just thought after this past year things would be butter she would seem less needy to have SS around and semi dependent on him to make her happy. She controls it better but it is still there. I do like her and we get along just feel sad for her at times.

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beebeel's picture

I bought my nephew shoes and tons of other things. I never wanted to be his mom. I just liked spoiling him...like many aunts do for their nephews.

Her wanting to buy him shoes has nothing to do with trying to push you aside or fulfill some void in her. It is a very normal thing for an aunt to do.

While you are so busy accusing her of trying to be controlling, you are the one who comes off that way.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

Look at it this way. Free shoes!!! For a kid that never stops growing!!!

She's just an aunt. My aunts used to get me stuff upon occaion. They weren't trying to take a parent role, they were simply showing they cared.

Breathe a second. It's possible she doesn't realize she's stepping on toes.

AshMar654's picture

I am not really upset about the shoes. Just getting tired of playing this stupid game like there is BM in the picture when there is not. I also try to make people happy.

I just really thought by now, more than a year of us having our lives and her having hers (somewhat). She would be good going more than three weeks without seeing SS. I really do like her but I keep waiting for her to meet someone or to figure out what she wants in her life to be happy with just her. I still think she needs SS, a small part of her, to make her happy. I get SS brings her joy nothing wrong with that. Part of me really thinks she plans her life a little bit around SS. What happens when he says no he does not want to go with her. He already has, because he had a choice between her and his friend he chose friend. I worked it out so he could have both.

He is already starting to care more about his friends. I just hope she does not end up where she was when I first came into the picture.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

As far as that goes. You and your Dh have the say. You can always have stipulations. If your SS is getting sick of it it's no longer for his benefit. Family is important. But if his aunt is alienating him or using him, it's okay to say no sometimes as well.

Just keep doing great and looking out for your SS Smile

AshMar654's picture

Thanks. Maybe it is me and all in my head. I just feel she is fragile. She does not alienate but IDK, I do wonder what would happen if say like a month or more goes but and we have not seen her just because we are busy not reason other than that. If she would have a break down, not bad but like a mini one.

I wish she would find something other than work and SS that fulfilled her. Not saying a person but something.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

I thihnk sometimes as stepparents (I'm guilty too) we feel our position is a bit more fragile somehow, like if someone breathes too hard on it it might break. But in most situations it's definitely not that fragile. To your SS you're the active role of mom. He loves you and you love him and no one can get in the way of that.

Keep an eye on it. If she starts alienating that's call for concern and definitley a reason to have less frequent visits for her. If you SS is old enough it might be worth giving him the choice instead. If not, then if you're not busy, go ahead and let her visit sometimes.

I understand being worried she may be too dependent. Just remember you and your DH have the say so and power on when he goes and who with. So let her have him to see him, but if you really do have things going on, it's okay to say no. She's an adult, if she can't handle that she's going to have to figure that out on her own.Don't be concerned about that, just be concerned about what's best for your SS and know that your relationship and position isn't as fragile as it sometimes feels Smile

Disneyfan's picture

"To your SS you're the active role of mom. He loves you and you love him and no one can get in the way of that."

The grandmother and aunt were both in the role of mom for 8 years. Based on everything the OP has posted, the grandparents, aunt and the kid really loved one another.

Their involvement in the kid's life was decreased drastically when dad met the OP.  Loving someone doesn't mean they will always have a role major role in your life.

 

AshMar654's picture

Aunt was never "mom". She never even lived in the same house as SS. If anyone filled that role it what the g-mom and she chose to move away. I had nothing to so with that.

Not going to lie sounds it is my faulty that their involvement was decreased a lot. Not really sure what you are getting at with the major role thing. You saying SS will not always play a major role him the Aunt's life?

beebeel's picture

Once a month visits seem too much to you? Why? Do you work three jobs and go to college or something? How can one lousy visit a month be THAT much of a disruption to your life? 

I see my brother once a month and I have a very busy life. I love him and want to see him. Although I'm busy, I certainly don't have to "plan my life" around our time together. My dad spends time with my son twice a month. My MIL comes to visit once a week! It's family...

You aren't the only person who loves this kid and wants to do things for him. He has plenty of room in his life for his family.

Disneyfan's picture

I see my nieces and nephews almost every day.   

My dad plays chauffeur for the 11 and 13 year every day (BY CHOICE).

My mom thinks nothing of cooking different meals to please her grandskids.(My sister and didn't get that treatment when we were kids.LOL)  Anytime she enters a store, she HAS to pick up something her grandbabies.

Your SS is lucky to have an aunt (and grandparents)who loves him and want to spend time with him. 

This is a good thing.  Be happy for him.

 

 

AshMar654's picture

WOW! Really you really are just negative and like to just put me down anyway possible. Never said there was anything wrong with it really. Just said it would be nice to go like a month. What is wrong with me and SO being private people, what is wrong with us wanting to spend time the three of us as a family as well.

We see the rest of the family plenty. SO and I have had a lot going on lately and always running around. What is so terrible with us that we just want a break to just be home taking it easy and relaxing. Hanging out with SS, playing games, going for adventures, or just watching a movie. We are horrible. Guess what once he starts school it is football, football and oh yeah our wedding.

You are so right I am a terrible person for wanting to just have some simple down time the three of us before things get super hectic and crazy. I am a horrible person too for being private and wanting to be a little isolated from people to just decompress. Oh and it will be so horrible for SS to spend time with just me and my so "his parents". Hell guess what we also do not have much time left before he starts to want to be away from us. Your right we are mean horrible people.

Disneyfan's picture

You can still be private and have down time if aunt visits once a month.  

It really sounds like you want to marginalize the aunt's role/ presence in the boy's life.

AshMar654's picture

No I really don't. If it was once a month that would be great. It is more than that. My parents do not even visit us that much and they live just as far. I talk to my mom everyday and go to lunch with her.

I am happy she is there for SS. I really am just wish a times the dependency was not there so much. If she did not ask I think SS would go probably more than a month without asking to see her. He is just that kind of a kid. He is just go with the flow. He loves her and totally loves spending time with her. Some kids are like that, his best friend lives down the street from us and he really likes hanging out with him. He hasn't ask to spend the night there or hang out with him in about a month. Unless someone else says something or offers it he just does not usually think of it. Just how he is.

beebeel's picture

How did I put you down? 

I don't understand how your schedule is so busy that you can't accommodate one visit a month from the aunt. You are the one bashing the aunt for wanting very normal contact with her nephew. I defended the aunt, I didn't put you down.

This isn't a zero sum game. You can have family time with your SS that INCLUDES his aunt. I have never in my 13 years of stepparenting, felt that time with my in-laws or my extended family wasn't "family time."

She isn't an outsider, but you are treating her like an unwanted interference (ironically enough how many SMs are treated).

AshMar654's picture

We include her alot and my parents. Sometimes it is nice to just not deal with in-laws. Sometimes it is nice just the three of us. I can tell you lately with my dad's funeral last month, younger brother graduating last month, us going to FL to see in-laws, working full time, planning our wedding and having to meet with vendors, plus friends having parties and family having parties. SS's baseball went into the July 1st and football starts in about a week maybe two. SO yeah life is that busy right now that SO, SS and I have only done one family outing since he got out of school and that was mini golf and ice cream.

I do not treat her bad at all I am venting here and I treat her super nice. SO that is now on you making up stuff that you know nothing about.

sickofitall's picture

Do they see your parents only once a month or more? You have so far mentioned that he goes on over nights and the movies with them. I havent heard you complain about the role your parents play in his life. I think this litle boy is very lucky to have so many people want to spend time with him. Youve also said you talk to your parents almost every day and have an aunt that you are close to so you obviously are close to your family. Why is it not ok for SS to be close to his? 

AshMar654's picture

It is ok to be close. Sometimes I see them a week or two in row. Sometimes SS might go a month not seeing them. IDK all depends on what is going on. I see my mom but we work 5 minutes from one another and both get an hour for lunch so we go to lunch. Yeah it can be a month or more in between the times they come to our home. My step-dad has a crazy schedule, my mom takes care of my g-mom and see her every weekend because she does not drive. Everything just depends on the schedule and what is going on in all our lives.

I know if my mom has not seen SS for like 3 weeks and she wants to but we are busy, I can fully say no. I get she understands and will not take it personally or be super upset or anything. I am not entirely sure Aunt would fully understand and be totally ok with it. Life happens things get so busy sometimes. I can honestly say I am not 100% sure Aunt would not get depressed if she did not see SS for like a month just because things go busy. Honestly a grown adult should have enough rational in their mind to understand it happens and it is normal and not get upset about it.

I like her I worry about her that is all.

beebeel's picture

My MIL "forgets" when babyface's naptime is, even though it's been the same time every day for two years. She regularly texts to ask if she can stop by to see him (with never more than a half-hour warning) during or right before his naptime. I regularly tell her now is not a good time. She is probably butt hurt sometimes, but I don't care lol.

If it's not a good time, don't worry about how she will react. You aren't responsible for her mental state. I don't communicate much woth my SIL (DH's sister) anymore because apparently she's sad because I don't hang out with her as much as I do my own brother. Waaah. Also not my issue. Your DH should be the one to communicate with his sister. He can be the boundary enforcer. It's HIS sister! Wink

AshMar654's picture

I really should do better with this. I did ok at one point. I really should adopt the I do not care attitude more. Thanks.

sickofitall's picture

But the Aunt hasnt said shes upset. You said she "seems" upset. So youre assuming things. And your mom gets antsy and wants to see him after 3 weeks and shes literally only known your SS for a couple of years .And you dont seem to think your mom is too dependent on seeing SS when she asks for him after 3 weeks.  Why is it ok for your mother who hasnt even been in his life for 1/4 of his life to miss him and want to see him but his Aunt for who been a large part of his entire life is out of line for wanting to see him even more than once a month?

You had said your MIL was the same way before she moved away. I dont think theres anyway she was as obsessed with him as you say if she could pick up and move to another state and go from obsessing and needing to be with SS constantly to seeing him a few times a year. It just seems like youre pushing your SO's family out and allowing your family in. Im really not sure what is up with your SO that he just allows someone to come in and change and control everything. Now he wants his family to back off but he was happy with them having every day involvement before you? Something just doesmt make sense here

AshMar654's picture

It does not make sense because you are adding things in there was never said. I never said my mom gets antsy. That was you assuming. My mom just goes with it. Nice try there. Where in this post did I say my MIL was dependent on SS before she moved, if I did please show me as I probably did not mean to say it.

Yeah that is me pushing my SO's family away so much I flew with SS and just me to FL so they could spend time with him. I guess you missed that part didn't you. I talk to the Aunt, get her access to the online team schedules let her know of any changes that happen. Tell her about his award ceremonies and school plays and on and on. Yup you are so right I am pushing his family away and so self centered and possessive I want to cut my SO and SS off from his entire family. You really nailed it.

sickofitall's picture

Excuse me for assuming. Your mom asks to see SS and you say no and she "goes with the flow". Antsy just meant wanting to see him. Youre splitting hairs here. Point is she enjoys spending time with SS and she has him in her life for a very short time but after 3 weeks is interested-not antsy-in seeing him. Why shouldnt his aunt feel the same way without making assumptions about her mental state while you find it perfectly normal for your mom to want to see him? Aunt has a stronger bond with SS. SHes been around since birth. Besides its not a competiton on who loves SS the most and has "dibs" on him. Im sure you and your family have bonded with him also

Ive read your blogs in the past. MIL was a big problem for you until she moved away. All Im saying is over attached meddling MILs dont pick up and move away from the grandchildren they supposedly have boundry issues with and cant live without but your past blogs made it sound like it.

Im really not attacking you here. You seem to have it good. No BM issues you love SS and he loves you. You may have had to change some things about SS behavior when you came in and I get that and maybe things are better now but you need to chill a bit.

Heres a scenario for you-SS is married and has kids. His spouse decides you and your SO seeing their kids more than once a month is an issue and SS goes along with it and spouse is tired of inlaws buying gifts and wanting to spend time with their kids. However SS spouse is very involved with her family. It would suck.

Boundries are fine. Nobody wants inlaws or anyone in their face constantly but Im just not seeing that here, If Aunt seems upset its more likely because she feels  like youre the gatekeeper to SS and she knows the deal. 

AshMar654's picture

My MIL blows my mind. She has no problem being away but when she is around she will meddle and be all weird. She rearranged the furniture in my SIL's house while they were there. That is one of the many reasons they do not stay at our home. SO knows me well enough to know if I came home to my furniture moved around and taken apart because she thought it looked better. Yeah I would lose my shit. I have no problem owning up to that. She is nice and good at times and other times is crazy.

I get the scenario you are painting. Who knows maybe that will happen I have no idea but I also know me, and I will probably just go with it. Again never said I want her to only see him once a month. I just want a break for a month.

I am not the gate keeper she texts SO but she includes me because she knows I am more likely to respond than him. She use to get upset when I was just there, before we moved in. Again tons better things are good. It is just the way she said and worded it. You would have though she had gone like all summer without seeing SS. So not the case. Just frustrated.

Disneyfan's picture

You really have a problem with an aunt buying stuff for her nephew???

Why do you feel sad for the aunt? Her actions are normal.  Your NEED to push the aunt and grandma out of the role that they occupied in the child's life isn't.

I can't imagine asking my sister or BIL for permission before buying shoes or clothes for my nieces and nephews.  I can't imagine them viewing that as me being controlling, mothering or viewing them not being able to provide for their kids.  Hell, they earn more than I do.

Our family reunion was this weekend.  While we were heading up the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, my nieces (19 and 13) noticed a girl wearing a cute Super Dry sweater.  They both commented on it.  This morning I purchased one for each of them.  My sister and BIL won't give tgat purchase a second thought.

You asked when will this stop.  If your SS is lucky, it won't.

 

 

AshMar654's picture

Yes what she is doing is normal. I get most of it I really do. Most of the time I do not care she buys him stuff or gets him things. I really do not care about the shoes that much. Just a little irked probably because she still comes off so needy at times.

I wish SO, SS and I could just go like a month without having to make plans so she can see SS and spend time with him. I have dealt with this for year now, juggling and planning and what not. One like a small break at times where I can plan just the three of us and not worry about anyone else getting butt hurt or thinking they are missing out.

Again I do like her and her I have a good relationship. Just thought by now we could go a whole month without her "needing" to see SS. Sorry just a frustration I guess.

twoviewpoints's picture

Aunts buy kids stuff because they want to. Not because they think Dad/SM can't buy the things themselves for the kid. Oh, they buy a few of thoe things Dad/SM might say 'no to  because the item/treat isn't really necessary or needed... but it is no reflection on Dad/SM. It's not a judgement on the parents.

My nephew (my niece's little four year old and my sister's only grandchild) is coming down later towars the end of the week. Aunt (me) is going to take him for lunch and to pick out a bookbag for kindergarten, a few outfits and some mix and matchers. Not that his mom can't/won't, not that if Mom couldn't Grandma would'nt , not because any reason at all except I asked if I could because I want to. 

If Aunt offers the shoes, let her buy them. Hey, it gives Dad and you an extra $50-$100 in your pocket for a fun family activity and it pleases the aunt to be able to things for the kid. 

It's not a competition and it isn't meant to offend you/Dad or your financial and parenting abilities. 

It's just because. 

AshMar654's picture

I do not take it as a competition anymore, I may have at first. I get she means well I really do. I bought his school supplies this weekend without him. He needed stuff and I was at the dollar store where everything was really cheap.

It is just that underlying like dependency she has on SS. She goes say a month with not seeing him, I do not think has ever happened. She has like a withdraw from him. Not severe but I could here in her voice this last time. Like that fear of not being close to him like she had when I first came around. It is not effecting us or SS or our relationship. As I have said I do like her and I care for her. I guess I worry about her still sometimes. She took all the change pretty hard before and she got help. I just wish she would live more herself than I feel she does. In 4 or 5 years SS is not going to want to be with anyone but friends. What will she do at that point?

Disneyfan's picture

"I bought his school supplies this weekend without him."

Why in the world did you do that??

Kids pucking out their school supplies is a part of the back to school fun/excitement. 

I bet most posters here have memories of pucking out the perfect Trapper Keeper,  pencils, bag, lunch box....it's a part of growing; the end of summer routine.

Why would you take that experience away?

 

Oh, just because you have already purchased school supplies, don't get upset if Auntie purchases some as well.  The kid can never have to many pencils, crayons or glue sticks.

AshMar654's picture

If you knew my SS he does not care at all. He would rather I do it and avoid going to the store and going shopping. He does not really take a lunch box, plus he has one he likes, he already said he wants to use the same back pack as last year. Pencils he does not care. This past school year after it was over he came home with a full box of crayons, markers, and colored pencils all unopened and not used. Why because he never touched them all year and just used the ones in the classroom.

Yup this is my SS. He did need some pocket folder, I did not pick out those thinking he would actually like picking out those himself. I did it this way because I know my SS and I know he hates shopping, and would just say I do not care.

She can buy him stuff if she wants. She bought it all last year and most of it never got used. That is up to her.

Livingoutloud's picture

What’s not being used could be donated to the school. School would be glad. What’s the big deal. Who cares? 

twoviewpoints's picture

"What will she do at that point?"

Their relationship is never going away (aka, ending). Yes, it will change as the child becomes a teen nd then a young man.... but Aunt is always Aunt.

My oldest son still has time for his Aunt. A couple summers ago my oldest son, his teen son (my grandson) and Aunt with her husband all took off for Colorado. They rented a cabin, fished, climbed and hiked and had  ball. My oldest son is 40, Aunt is 60, my grandson just turned 17. Aunt's husband , Uncle, went to a Garth Brooks concert with my oldest son. They get together and play guitar. Aunt takes my grandson and spoils grandson the way she did my son at that age. 

When your SS starts running and hanging with teens his age, the relationship will change, but it won't end. Families don't end. Aunt won't expect the teen kiddo to stay around and hold her hand nor will she fall apart as she watches him go out into the world and try out his wings.... nope, she's watch with pride s he soars. 

*shrugs* That's what Aunts do. 

AshMar654's picture

I love my Aunt too. I am really close with her. I grew up with her on the next street and I make a purpose to go see her now that we live several states apart. I call her, and text her. I am 32 and would love to take a trip with her anytime.

I also know my aunt had her life, and while she loved me and adored me, even offered to let me live with her when I wanted to move back when I was 16 and my mom moved me away. She told my parents not me, I was 16. She had her life, she did not depend on me to fill a need, she was ok going a month or two without seeing me or brother. It sometimes happens when people get busy with life. She is one of the best people I know. She use to pick me up from school everyday and I would spend hours with her ever single day when I was 15.

Before my mom and I moved. She was sad when we left, I knew she missed me terribly but I also know she was ok because she had other stuff in her life. SS's aunt, I really wish I could explain it, I am not sure how ok she would be if something like that ever happened. She got pretty depressed, and lost when her parents moved, and SO and i moved it. Always saying she did not want to lose SS. I just thought we had gotten more past that. I was wrong, I heard in her voice. It is just makes me worry for her as I really do like her and want to see good things for her.

Disneyfan's picture

This sounds like you are trying to make the woman sound unstable.  Kind of like you did before with rhe drinking.

 

Downsouth's picture

I would not buy someone else’s kid a backpack 

when it comes to “firsts” and my kids... it best be ME. I am the parent and buying my kids first backpack for kinder is my joy. Seeing their little face as they put on the huge backpack for first time and then being excited.That’s a parent moment. 

Go get some snazzy pricey notebooks with animals on them or fun expensive pencils but not backpack. 

Thats same as first haircut, first pair of shoes, first dentist appt, first bra, first tux/prom dress, first time behind the steering wheel. 

hereiam's picture

What's wrong with his aunt buying him shoes? I don't get it.

You, saying that the aunt has some kind of dependency on SS to fulfill something in her own life, might be projecting.

notarelative's picture

Let her buy the shoes, the whatever. Let her take him overnight. Use the money for a night out for you and SO. Win for all. You and SO get the night out. Aunt gets to see kid. Kid gets spoiled by aunt (All kids should have that aunt or uncle or grandparent who somewhat spoils them. My aunt did it for me and I wish my kids had had someone to do it for them.)

DPW's picture

You need to relax. I'm not trying to be mean but you harp on this way too much. Your energy could be better spent not trying to control the aunt and the grandparents and just go with the flow. They love your SS. They are family. This is normal.

lieutenant_dad's picture

Why are you worrying about ANY of this?

Aunt is SO's sister, and SS is his son. If he is uncomfortable with her level of involvement, HE needs to say something. If you are uncomfortable, you need to go to HIM and let HIM decide.

You can say 800 ways to Sunday that you act as a team, but the harsh reality that you need to grasp is that SS is not your son. You are not his mother. Until you have some legal status over him, your parental authority extends as far as Dad allows it to extend.

Your SO allowing you to bear the brunt of whatever perceived anxiety this causes is a disservice your SO is allowing on YOU. So stop caring. Let him handle the relationship with his family. My MIL is overbearing, and I tried hard for 2 years to make sure she saw the kids, was invited to things, etc. It caused ME stress and MIL still wasn't happy. So I handed it over to DH to deal with it as he pleases.

Even in intact families, extended family interactions, when difficult, are generally handled by the parent who is blood related. So long as Aunt isn't abusing or harming SS, you have zero reason to step in. So step out and let your SO do the dad thing - and the parent-who-is-blood-related thing - and make decisios for his son.

You are going to be in for a world of hurt if you keep trying to keep control of every little thing.

AshMar654's picture

Hard to do that when I am on the text too. Yes I can ignore it. I told him to respond and said by the way my parents are taking him Saturday night. SO said well he will just go with them and I will tell her no. OK.....

I know it is me partly not wanting to see her go reeling like she did before so I try to juggle. Yes I need to stop, I get that. I grasp SS is not my blood related son. I am not delusional here. I get smacked with that pretty hard on a regular basis. Especially when I went to visit his parents, just SS and I. Trust my when I say MIL really did something I did not like, something I knew SO would have lost his S*** over with his mom. I simply brushed it under the rug ignored it and had to move on.

Who was I to say something, I am guest in their home. I also had no car so I couldn't just leave. I also know if I had something it does not hold that much weight if any because I am not his "mom". Trust me when I say I get it. When I got back I told SO and said if we go again I will never go without you. We will probably stay at his grandmothers place instead. That was SO saying that. I really do no have much desire to go down again, sucks because I love the beach. I am not dealing with what I dealt with this last trip again. I do not have to.

Disneyfan's picture

The kid can fly down alone(unaccompanied minor)to visit his grandparents.

If you do go, just book a hotel room instead of staying with someone. That way you have a place to revamp and regrouo when tensions get high.

Livingoutloud's picture

I just don’t understand you at all. I think whatever is bothering you needs to be addressed in therapy. It’s just not healthy. 

Plenty of people are very close to their nieces and nephews, buy them stuff and want to spend time,  but it doesn’t mean they are using kids to fulfill something missing in their lives or that they play mommy or daddy. By this logic one can say that you are so possessive of SS because you are trying to fulfill something that is missing in your life. 

Your worrying about aunts emotional health maybe could be a bit projecting. You worry that she might be depressed yet you come across extremely anxious and somewhat unsettled emotionally yourself. Perhaps you could focus  on your own well being? 

I don’t think it’s anythung to do with him not being your son. Such possessiveness isn’t healthy regardless if he is your son. I am a mother but I can’t imaguine freaking out someone in the family wants to buy her shoes or is missing her 

I believe this has nothing to do with aunt but everything to do with you and you’d very much benefit from therapy

 

 

 

 

AshMar654's picture

I love how everyone thinks I am projecting. I am not. I am not possessive of him. My parents take him, when g-parents came to visit SS spent the night at the aunt's while they were there. I get being close I really do.

This is something different. I am very secure in my life and in my mental stability. I grasp he is not my technically my son, I get that if something happened to SO, that I would lose SS out of my life probably for good. I am not delusional. She was depressed and was having major anxiety and stress a while back when her parents decided to move and I came into the picture. At first she did not handle it the best but got help and did better.

I am not freaking out just venting and it is not about the damn shoes. She can buy them I do not care totally. I was planning on taking him myself because I know what kind he needs. He wears his shoes really hard like and super active 9 year old boy would.

I do not need therapy trust me been there before and have no problem going if I needed it. I have a good job, I make good money, more than my SO actually. I have friends, I volunteer, I help take care of my g-mom and go see her and spend time with her. I talk to my mother 5 times a week maybe more. I have my animals that I adore and love being with. I have hobbies, that when I have time to do them I actually do them. I have a very full life. I did before I met SO and SS.

I also have had a very different situation compared to most coming into being a SM. I have had to deal with a lot of crazy and learn to let things roll. I usually do there was just something this past week that sent up some warning flags and to just be a little observational to make sure they are just me being paranoid. Yup I need therapy.

Livingoutloud's picture

Referring to mundane things like buying shoes “parent” thing is silly. Anyone can buy shoes. If you want to be technical and insist only parents can do these mundane things, then you can’t do it either. That’s just crazy making. It’s not like walking him to the altar, it’s buying mundane things. 

Livingoutloud's picture

If you have happy and fulfilling life, then why look for things to be upset or concerned about. Nothing that you ever mentioned sounded like anythung anyone would even think about for 5 minutes. It’s almost like you joined this site and see truly horrid situations and you want to join in with your own “horrid” story: aunt wants to see SS more than once a month or but him shoes. It happened to other posters. They come here with their normal lives but after reading all the horror, they start looking for negativity in their life to obsess about 

it could be that aunt has anxiety abd depression. It’s not uncommon. So what. But you are not her psychiatrist and it’s not your job to determine who she uses to fulfill what. You don’t know what she has in her life to feel happy. You can’t possibly know. She could be thinking  same thing about you thst you are possessive because you aren’t secure in your life. People usually are unreasonably possessive only when they feel insecure. You aren’t a gate keeper and rule maker how much aunt needs to see her nephew. Stop making something positive into negative. It’s not healthy.

just enjoy your life 

advice.only2's picture

Free shoes and some alone time while the kid gets to spend time and make memories with is Aunt!!! Woo hoo win win situation all around.

notarelative's picture

. Trust my when I say MIL really did something I did not like, something I knew SO would have lost his S*** over with his mom. I simply brushed it under the rug ignored it and had to move on.

Grandparents are notorious for doing things with grandchildren that they never did with their own child. For most grandparents some rules they enforced strictly, disappear for the grandchildren. It's not unusual for the child's parent to be annoyed with what the grandparent allows.

AshMar654's picture

Oh if only it had been that simple. It wasn't and it was something I know no one on here would tolerate.

notsurehowtodeal's picture

and I can't imagine going a month without seeing my neice - I see her about once a week. I will readily admit she fills a need in my life - the need to spend time with   someone I love. I am childless by choice, but have a strong maternal instinct. I have met that need by spending time with my niece. I am a normal, well-adjusted woman. My sister loves that my niece and I are close, and appreciates the fact that I did quite a bit of child care when my niece was young.

I think it is completely unreasonable that you think the aunt should only see her nephew once a month - especially considering how much time she spent with him in the past. I know you don't think so, but it is pretty clear to me that you still see her as some kind of a threat. You are very hung up on "doing things as a family." I understand why initially that may have been a priority, as SS was separating from Grandparents and Aunt, and you and DH were forming more of a "family unit." But at this point you need to quit making such a big deal about it. The "family unit" should be strong enough for SS to spend a few hours a couple times a month or so with his aunt.

No child can be loved too much. You need to appreciate the fact that this kid has so many adults who love and care about him. That is a good thing. (And the fact that she wants to spend money on him is a bonus!)

AshMar654's picture

Just read above comments. Damn no matter what I say here she is the well adjusted great aunt and I am the bad person. Pretty sure if I was a BM complaining about this stuff people would have a different tune.

Nope just the evil SM over here who after almost three years with my SO and more than a year living and taking care of SS. I should just keep my mouth shut never vent because I have no right to do that. I am threatened and projecting yup. Good to know. No matter how much I say I appreciate everything she does I just want a break from all family for a little. Guess what so does my SO.

Disneyfan's picture

Have yiou noticed that posters who rarely agree on anything all agree on this issue?

A normal BM would not complain about a aunt loving and spending money on her child.  A normal mother would be happy that her sister or sister in law  cared enough to want to bond with her child.

 

 

 

 

Downsouth's picture

So my kids used to see aunts uncles cousins grandmas etc once per week. For 2 years. I hated the family gathering because my former SIL kids were terrors. Literally seen her 4 yr old swing from light fixture. 

But then they moved far away 

Now my kids 16 and 12 just got back from a week visiting her and all her kids are grown. She buys them things. $65 makeup pallets, $100 LEGO sets. She also sends them obscene $$ for holidays-like $200 per kid. 

Do I care ?-no. 

Unless aunt is buying your SS heely shoes and those aren’t permitted. Or she’s buying him clothing with obsene images or language(if he was a girl I would say risqué clothing) then who cares? If she’s dying his hair, cutting his hair, taking him to shows/movies/concerts that are not age appropriate , getting him piercings, checking him out of school early, bringing him home at midnight-THEN you have a problem. 

 

It is 100% ok to have her spend time. So her tone of voice or body languge seems “sappy/nerdy/clingy”

aww I miss SS he’s my little buddy. I want to see him. 

My kids grandma says that about him and he’s 12. I don’t think she’s needy for saying that. 

AshMar654's picture

I think my guard is up sometimes because of what has happened in the past. That is all really. She can buy him stuff I am good with that, it is call the time constant that she is giving him stuff buying him stuff.

I am not going to lie I wish sometimes she would run certain things past SO or me. Certain movies, they watched meet the fockers I think that is not great for a 9 year old. My parents ask me when they take him to movies they are not sure about.

Hey but I can't really do much about that can I. That is how his family did everything and the environment SO created. Not that I don't trust her or my parents but I know this kid I know what he will repeat and get scared of. I live with him and I am very involved. I get it when you do not have kids around all day long you don't think about appropriate bad what not.

Like I said my guard being up but I really think many people that dealt with all the stuff I have seen or been through would maybe understand. Thanks again,

Downsouth's picture

My SS was barely 10 when I showed up

he was playing grand theft auto and killing video games 10 hrs a day. I couldn’t do a thing. 15 yr old SD then was wearing more makeup than a drag queen and booty shorts and crop tops. I couldn’t do a thing. Skids grandma sent them $1000 each at Xmas and DH just let them do whatever with it. No lessons or anything. 

When the bad creeps up from SS due to exposure then you literally take your 2 hands in a wiping motion and say “nope SO. I don’t agree with what was done and it’s not my mess. You made your bed now you lie in it”

i was always truthful with my own kids. 

Why cant we watch that movie mom?- because it’s got inappropriate content and it’s not suitable for your age.  

I had no problem telling them it’s scsry and would cause nightmare or induce fear. I always used truthful words and large vocabulary with my kids. 

When my DD16 was 5 and asked why she can’t ride shot gun like her friend. I said when your friends mom gets in a wreck and ur friend gets severely hurt or died her mom is gonna be mad st herself for not following the law and keeping her child safe. It’s my job as a parent to keep you safe. My kids always got hard truths but yet they never questioned things again. And I never got whining or begging.

AshMar654's picture

I am very similar with SS. I just say how it is so does SO. SO saw a lot of the bad habits he caused and help create. For the most part has done well to fix them.

There was so much with his family that I was not use to. Just strange at times.

Disneyfan's picture

"I know this kid I know what he will repeat and get scared of. I live with him and I am very involved. I get it when you do not have kids around all day long you don't think about appropriate bad what not."

 

This is absolutely ridiculous.

The kid is 9.  The aunt helped raise this kid for 8 YEARS.  T9 imply that living with the boy for 1 year makes you the expert on all things about him is nuts.  

If you want to use the amount of time spent with the boy as a measuring stick to determine who really knows him, then it would be:Grandparents, aunt, you, dad.

You keeo saying people are treating you like the evil SM. That isn't it.  You come across as the crazy BM.   

AshMar654's picture

Hey Aunt was very involved. I get that I am not denying that but I also know when you are not living with someone 24/7 you do not know everything about them. She has never lived with him or a kid for that matter.

I know from experience that when you do not live with a kid all, as I never did before SS, that you do not register how much your house, your life, what you say, what you do, all of it has to change when a kid is there all the time. She is not a horrible person, I can tell you right now my own mother got annoyed with her sister sometimes when she did things with us kids that mom did not like. That is normal. Why is it so horrible for me to vent, it is not like I treat her bad, or alienate her or push her out of SS's life.

She also never had to punish SS, g-parents and dad did that, now dad and I do it. I am an aunt, I can say I would buy my niece and nephew a huge thing of ice cream and candy and crap and not really care that they will be wound up. I do not deal with then all day every day. While she was involved and did a lot for SS. She didn't really help raise him. To me raising a child involves dealing with it all, the good that bad the ugly. She was there for a little ugly but mostly just all the fun and the good.

I have said it so many times on here, g-parents and SO raised, SS till we moved in. I am not trying to demean her role in his life. Just simply saying she has only ever been the Aunt. Never once had SS ever said well that is what Aunt said, or that is how Aunt did it. If she helped raise him as much as you think, I would have heard those things. I certainly heard it about the g-parents. I hope that clears it us finally.

Livingoutloud's picture

What difference does it make if aunt raised him before or not? I never raised any kids but my own yet it doesn’t mean I don’t want to see or do things with my niece or nephews. 

This is all boiling down to insecurity. You need to really address it. You keep saying how aunt is upset or might be upset about this or that but yourself are upset constantly about mundane unimportant every day thing like aunt buying things or visiting. It’s nothing to do with reality. 

Do you worry that aunt sees him often then she’ll get SS if something happens to SO? Are you trying to limit her time for that reason? Like building the case that you are the only one raising him. You also need to stop comparing aunt to your parents. Of course they don’t need to see SS as often. They have known him for short time. Why even compare? I’d never argue that my mother feels the same for SDs whom she barely knows for few years as their aunt, my SIL who is related to them and was there since they were infants. It’s craxy comparison! SS aunt must feel the same about SS as your mother? Really why? it just doesn’t make sense 

please look deeper into roots of your feelings about aunt 

PS “she will ever be the aunt”. Of course. Does anyone say she’ll be something else? What do you really worry About

AshMar654's picture

No I do not worry Aunt will get him if something happens to SO. Wow I must be super insecure to plot a plan as building a case. Nope that never crossed my mind. Why would I worry about her getting him when I know the reality of the legal situation. Let me lay it out. He has BM who technically has rights, who is married with several other kids, and lives a whopping 30 minutes from us. That is all I know about her. Aunt who is single and has a demanding schedule for her job and never had kids.

Who the hell do you think the court would pick? Pretty sure I can figure that one out on my own. No I do not worry about her getting SS at all. I worry more about BM getting him and that completely turning his whole entire world upside down.

Why are you so concerned with me looking deeper inside myself. Is this site not a place to vent and just get it out. I do not act on these things, I do not exclude anyone out of SS's life or really let it occupy that much of my brain and time in my life. Just sometimes we all hit a point we need to vent and move on.

Again I do not need therapy I own my feelings about the situation and fully understand where they come from and they are not deep rooted. I just like some quiet down time with my SO and SS. While I appreciate and like Aunt I really do. Just could use a break from all extended family including my own for a few weeks. Not complicated.

beebeel's picture

So then she's on to something with the insecurity. The BM is some mystery person to you and a potential huge threat to the security of your relationship with SS. You can't confront the bm about your fears, and you may be clinging on to SS a bit more because of it. In comes Aunt, who may or may not be a threat, but you are on high alert.

Anxiety is a crazy making emotion. I had to find a therapist for myself during the worst of my step experience. It helped A TON. Anyone in your situation would feel insecure about your future relationship with the kid. That can create loads of anxiety. I think if we polled SMs around here, I'd say 75 percent or more are in some kind of therapy!

 

AshMar654's picture

Yeah I can own to insecurity when it comes to the unknown of BM and what could happen. I am really not insecure with the Aunt. I get on high alert because of her past actions when I first came around. She is worlds better. I think it is hard to completely trust someone who got so drunk when you were around she was falling into walls, would whine to you all the time about losing SS, would always be there when you were, and be really clingy with SS when I was around. Even her mom saw it to some extent. I need more than like a year and half to fully trust that is all behind her. That is all this really is and just venting.

If these thoughts and worries were controlling my life and well being I would seek therapy. I am not afraid of it, I have been there before when I needed it. Thank you for your words they do help.

Livingoutloud's picture

I could totally see worrying about BM showing up and causing havoc in kid’s life. I don’t even have minor skids and BM is causing terrible havoc in skids lives that by extension effects us. So that anxiety is understandable.

But you need to stop freaking out about aunt. She isn’t causing havoc and her requests to see SS or do/buy things for him are very normal and not anything to be upset about. You also need to stop worrying about her mental state. I am sure she can take care of herself and is possibly worrying about your anxieties too. So let it go 

AshMar654's picture

Again just venting here. I get you are trying to help I really do. I do let it go we all need an outlet to just get things off our chest. That is all that this ever was. Me being annoyed venting and moving on.